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Message: <blockquote data-quote="James McMurray" data-source="post: 4564714" data-attributes="member: 743">Definitely. It's only if you want to actually be a battle rager instead of just strapping on his numbers to your character that you'll start to see a major difference in hit ratios. My guess is that nobody playtested it as a replacement option, and they focused only on seeing what two full blown builds looked like side by side. If you ignore the case where someone just drops +1 to hit for some temp hp the two builds start looking closer to one another. Lower AC means those temp hps are burned through faster, and lower to hit means your OAs and Challenges aren't as sticky. Also, the invigorating powers tend to do less damage or have no secondary effects compared to the other powers, so you're trading survivability for damage and/or battlefield control.Has anyone had a chance to play with a normal battle rager and/or a pseudo-rager who's just in it for the free temp hp? Or better yet, one of each in the same party?</blockquote>