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<blockquote data-quote="Pickles JG" data-source="post: 4564955" data-attributes="member: 61501">I am pretty sure that it is as busted as a very broken thing&nbsp;My LFR character is this:-&nbsp;Level 6 Dwarf TankerStr 17Con 17Dex 13Int 8Wis 16Cha 10Tide of IronCleaveWearing +1 dwarven plate &amp; shield, wielding +2 vicious craghammer.Feats:Dwarven weapon training.Plate ProficiencyShield PushDevoted Challenge&nbsp;I did have toughness but never really needed it so I have trained it out. I hit reasonably often &amp; with +3 on OA &amp; challenge attacks for substantial damage. With +2 damage from bracers of mighty striking, the challenge attacks are actually +14 to hit for d10 + 12 rerolling 1 or 2s. I feel robust &amp; dangerous to ignore.&nbsp;I am very unsure whether the +1 to hit is as good as the temporary hp I would get from battlerager vigour. At 8th with 18 con &amp; the dwarf booster feat I am sure it would not be.&nbsp; 6 hp of every melee attack after the first is too good. This is with a character that is totally unoptimised for the role. Brash strike is disgusting - the CA is offset by Uncanny dodge at paragon - not something I have seen mentioned before. &amp; anything that has bonuses with CA is usually pretty good at getting it for itself so no great loss. I would haave to lose Cleave to get it - minions do not scare me &amp; rain of steel or my lightning throwing hammer are good against them if they harrass others.&nbsp;So all in all the benefits you get just for the +1 to hit are too much - the otehr stuff pushes it deep into the abyss.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Pickles JG, post: 4564955, member: 61501"] I am pretty sure that it is as busted as a very broken thing My LFR character is this:- Level 6 Dwarf Tanker Str 17 Con 17 Dex 13 Int 8 Wis 16 Cha 10 Tide of Iron Cleave Wearing +1 dwarven plate & shield, wielding +2 vicious craghammer. Feats: Dwarven weapon training. Plate Proficiency Shield Push Devoted Challenge I did have toughness but never really needed it so I have trained it out. I hit reasonably often & with +3 on OA & challenge attacks for substantial damage. With +2 damage from bracers of mighty striking, the challenge attacks are actually +14 to hit for d10 + 12 rerolling 1 or 2s. I feel robust & dangerous to ignore. I am very unsure whether the +1 to hit is as good as the temporary hp I would get from battlerager vigour. At 8th with 18 con & the dwarf booster feat I am sure it would not be. 6 hp of every melee attack after the first is too good. This is with a character that is totally unoptimised for the role. Brash strike is disgusting - the CA is offset by Uncanny dodge at paragon - not something I have seen mentioned before. & anything that has bonuses with CA is usually pretty good at getting it for itself so no great loss. I would haave to lose Cleave to get it - minions do not scare me & rain of steel or my lightning throwing hammer are good against them if they harrass others. So all in all the benefits you get just for the +1 to hit are too much - the otehr stuff pushes it deep into the abyss. [/QUOTE]

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