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<blockquote data-quote="Pickles JG" data-source="post: 4574075" data-attributes="member: 61501">The other side of the brokenness of this build is in comparison to a Barbarian. Taking a Warforged I was going to try out in LFR (Gondsman that is<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue&nbsp; &nbsp; :p"&nbsp; data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" />). the same stats work for a battlrager as for a Barbarian.&nbsp;Str 18Con 18Dex 12Int 10Wis 8Cha 12Take Chain proficiency &amp; use a Maul.&nbsp; This does less damage than a Battlerager using Brash strike &amp; is -2 to hit at the cost of combat advantage. The Battlerager can take plate proficiency to compensate - fully vs AC.&nbsp; Or he can take an offensive feat to get the Battlerager bonus damage while wearing chain.&nbsp;The Battlerager gets his pool of temp HP &amp; his challenge features. The Barbarian gets his suite of barbarian abilities - Temps on a kill, Free attacks on crits, free charges, generally rages boost damage too.&nbsp; These will make the barbarian slightly more offensive but are less use defensively than free temp HP.&nbsp; I think his powers generally do a little bit more damage &amp; have less healing cf the battlerager. &nbsp;All in all though the comparison makes the Barbarian pretty sad. I am rather depressed about this power creep in 4e already - double swords, battleragers &amp; tempests (who largely make 2 handers obsolete).&nbsp; I hope they have the balls to errata some of this stuff.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Pickles JG, post: 4574075, member: 61501"] The other side of the brokenness of this build is in comparison to a Barbarian. Taking a Warforged I was going to try out in LFR (Gondsman that is:p). the same stats work for a battlrager as for a Barbarian. Str 18 Con 18 Dex 12 Int 10 Wis 8 Cha 12 Take Chain proficiency & use a Maul. This does less damage than a Battlerager using Brash strike & is -2 to hit at the cost of combat advantage. The Battlerager can take plate proficiency to compensate - fully vs AC. Or he can take an offensive feat to get the Battlerager bonus damage while wearing chain. The Battlerager gets his pool of temp HP & his challenge features. The Barbarian gets his suite of barbarian abilities - Temps on a kill, Free attacks on crits, free charges, generally rages boost damage too. These will make the barbarian slightly more offensive but are less use defensively than free temp HP. I think his powers generally do a little bit more damage & have less healing cf the battlerager. All in all though the comparison makes the Barbarian pretty sad. I am rather depressed about this power creep in 4e already - double swords, battleragers & tempests (who largely make 2 handers obsolete). I hope they have the balls to errata some of this stuff. [/QUOTE]

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