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<blockquote data-quote="Garthanos" data-source="post: 4852268" data-attributes="member: 82504">examine the actual effects for EV ... Empathic Vigor When you get these hit points at the beginning of your turn and you do attack on your turn you probably already have thp when your brv gives you thp and since they dont stack! well atleast you do get the damage bonus on the attack you make!.Having empathic vigor based on Wisdom instead of Con is indeed interesting in subtle ways. It goes along with the Fighters third attribute that BRV builds seem to ignore.I suppose it could almost be written this way.Empathic Rage: if an ally in 10 squares has taken hit point damage from an enemy since the end of your last turn you gain your BRV damage bonus to your attacks whether you have thp or not.&nbsp;For Pain Rage VigorWe cant tie it in with BRV damage Notice I made this for non Defender class characters... so If you get the lesser of con and wisdom mod. High Con classes and characters must have Wisdom to get pts from it. And for people who arent defenders if they are getting hit a lot, they are in real trouble eh?Compare or durable feat that many take in some way durable gives me half again more hitpoints, assuming I play nice with allies to help enable access to those.That is the idea ...</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Garthanos, post: 4852268, member: 82504"] examine the actual effects for EV ... [B]Empathic Vigor [/B] When you get these hit points at the beginning of your turn and you do attack on your turn you probably already have thp when your brv gives you thp [B]and since they dont stack! [/B]well atleast you do get the damage bonus on the attack you make!. Having empathic vigor based on Wisdom instead of Con is indeed interesting in subtle ways. It goes along with the Fighters third attribute that BRV builds seem to ignore. I suppose it could almost be written th[B]is way. Empathic Rage:[/B] if an ally in 10 squares has taken hit point damage from an enemy since the end of your last turn you gain your BRV damage bonus to your attacks whether you have thp or not. [B]For Pain Rage Vigor[/B] We cant tie it in with BRV damage Notice I made this for non Defender class characters... so If you get the lesser of con and wisdom mod. High Con classes and characters must have Wisdom to get pts from it. And for people who arent defenders if they are getting hit a lot, they are in real trouble eh? Compare or durable feat that many take in some way durable gives me half again more hitpoints, assuming I play nice with allies to help enable access to those. That is the idea ... [/QUOTE]

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