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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Garthanos" data-source="post: 4847483" data-attributes="member: 82504">not when I DM ... that's end of the encounter bub.(the rush ends when the rush ends... no artificial extending it)yes sure both can and will ... I would say almost immediately is not reasonable.BRV might look like "I keep knicking and bruising and knocking him in to the scenery but he keeps coming back like he wasn't even hurt, he looks like he is kind of hurt but it isnt slowing him down by a long shot in fact I cant wipe that bloody smile off his face... what is up with that?" It doesnt really sound as obvious as the AC dude who doesnt get knocked around.... though admittedly dwarves dont give ground... so maybe the archetypal over optimized brv fighter... doesnt fit my description... I think a lot would. Sure it can happen overly defensive defenders tend to fail to defend... but then there is the Shieldmage.... the one misnamed as a swordmage.... his team is coated with defense. (now fight the minions)</blockquote>