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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Mustrum_Ridcully" data-source="post: 3171447" data-attributes="member: 710">Why is survival the first goal. You can surely define it, but don't pretend that to be automatically morally right.I am getting a bit tired of the claim that Cylons aren't a species or only malfunctioning machines. Cylons are biological, they can reproduce (even if they can mostly "only" clone, that doesn't mean they don't reproduce!). Even if they weren't based on organic molecules as we know them wouldn't mean you could define them as living beings. If humanity somehow manipulated its evolution to become non-organic (maybe human mind transfered into a robot thing, or becoming beings of pure energy), would humanities right of survival suddenly be negated?Nothing to bring up against that, that's certainly a view one (many) can have. I don't want to offend you, but I have to ask this question: Couldn't such a view not also seen as racist? Since humans and Cylons can procreate, it could even be argued that they aren't actually different species anymore, so it's the same as saying whites are more worthy of survival than blacks. Where is the difference? Can it be justified? Should there be a difference. Are we just at a point in human-nonhuman relationships that we were at white-nonwhite relationships a few decades or centuries ago? ---Strange. All in all, I found the episode to be relatively weak, but it still opened up interesting questions and discussions...</blockquote>

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