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<blockquote data-quote="wingsandsword" data-source="post: 3216773" data-attributes="member: 14159"><p>My responses to that little list of 10 complaints. . .</p><p></p><p>10. I really doubt that either one will completely step out of the picture. The moment Caprica was announced, we knew that production would have to be split, but to say this far off that it will fall apart because the creators have other projects is really pushing it.</p><p></p><p>9. On a show with this many plots and subplots, not every one is going to get full attention all the time. If they were dropped and never returned to, that's bad, but saying three episodes passed without "x" subplot coming up isn't much.</p><p></p><p>8. No, they had lots of character transformations, but changes in appearance is a good way to show the audience somebody has changed quickly. When you see pudgy, fat Apollo, you know he's let himself go and get soft, which frames his behavior that shows it too. When you see scruffy Tigh, you know he's not exactly in tip-top shape either, but instead of going soft, Tigh has gone too bitter and you know at a glance.</p><p></p><p>7. No, Adama gets lots of great lines, and lots of great scenes. They do use a few longwinded speeches, but the moving epic speech is pretty typical of the genre. (If you want a show that tended to use them too often, look at Babylon 5, great show, but every character was ready to drop an epic speech at the drop of a hat it seemed).</p><p></p><p>6. So the Cylons aren't monogamous, that's a reason not to like the show, your biomechanical aliens have a different sexual ethos than humans?</p><p></p><p>5. To me, those scenes show that the Cylons have a culture, albeit one alien and bizarre to humans, like emotionally immature sentient machines that looked at human culture and both try to emulate it and improve upon it without fully realizing what they were changing?</p><p></p><p>4. I take a real exception to #4. If he thinks that's heavy handed social issue shows, he apparently never watched Voyager or Enterprise. Star Trek got to be the king of moralizing, preachy transparent current-events analogy. However, when Star Trek did it, it was pretty much always visiting a Planet Of The Week that was undergoing a painfully transparent analogy of some 20th century social issue that Earth dealt with, the characters would outright say Earth dealt with it, we would be told what the Enlightened Federation Answer is, but because of the almighty and holy Prime Directive (the official religion of the Federation) they must condemn people to suffer injustice on other worlds because to do otherwise would "interference". Then the starship Enterprise/Defiant/Voyager would zoom on by and never return and everything that happened would never be mentioned again and promptly forgotten in time for next episode.</p><p></p><p>Instead, on Battlestar Galactica, it's the main characters who go through these issues. We aren't preached at with who is "right", we see both sides at the same time. The Good Guys are pushed into a corner and have to resort to suicide bombing and hiding weapons in places of worship during an occupation. The Good Guys justify torturing prisoners by saying they aren't really people or that the information they have is so vital it justifies it. The Good Guys nearly go to a civil war over the limits of the power of the military in a time of war. Decisions they make have consequences that follow them across the series, and people don't forget what you did.</p><p></p><p>3. Oh, heaven forbid that characters have romantic relationships when there are only fortysomethousand people left alive, and they know that procreation is the only way the human race can survive.</p><p></p><p>2. If you watch the episode, it was more of Adama thinking he was responsible. Yes, he did something that broke the treaty, but the episode also implies it was one of many missions that did this, the Colonials already knew that the Cylons were making a heavy buildup, and Roslin points out he is being way too hard on himself. If that was the real cause of the attack, instead of his own guilt, wouldn't any of the Cylons who met Adama ever mention it?</p><p></p><p>1. I thought that episode was a creative way to have a character heavy episode that established a lot of what happened when they jumped a year ahead in the timeline. Not every episode is about Galactica slugging it out with Basestars and blowing the frack out of Cylons.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="wingsandsword, post: 3216773, member: 14159"] My responses to that little list of 10 complaints. . . 10. I really doubt that either one will completely step out of the picture. The moment Caprica was announced, we knew that production would have to be split, but to say this far off that it will fall apart because the creators have other projects is really pushing it. 9. On a show with this many plots and subplots, not every one is going to get full attention all the time. If they were dropped and never returned to, that's bad, but saying three episodes passed without "x" subplot coming up isn't much. 8. No, they had lots of character transformations, but changes in appearance is a good way to show the audience somebody has changed quickly. When you see pudgy, fat Apollo, you know he's let himself go and get soft, which frames his behavior that shows it too. When you see scruffy Tigh, you know he's not exactly in tip-top shape either, but instead of going soft, Tigh has gone too bitter and you know at a glance. 7. No, Adama gets lots of great lines, and lots of great scenes. They do use a few longwinded speeches, but the moving epic speech is pretty typical of the genre. (If you want a show that tended to use them too often, look at Babylon 5, great show, but every character was ready to drop an epic speech at the drop of a hat it seemed). 6. So the Cylons aren't monogamous, that's a reason not to like the show, your biomechanical aliens have a different sexual ethos than humans? 5. To me, those scenes show that the Cylons have a culture, albeit one alien and bizarre to humans, like emotionally immature sentient machines that looked at human culture and both try to emulate it and improve upon it without fully realizing what they were changing? 4. I take a real exception to #4. If he thinks that's heavy handed social issue shows, he apparently never watched Voyager or Enterprise. Star Trek got to be the king of moralizing, preachy transparent current-events analogy. However, when Star Trek did it, it was pretty much always visiting a Planet Of The Week that was undergoing a painfully transparent analogy of some 20th century social issue that Earth dealt with, the characters would outright say Earth dealt with it, we would be told what the Enlightened Federation Answer is, but because of the almighty and holy Prime Directive (the official religion of the Federation) they must condemn people to suffer injustice on other worlds because to do otherwise would "interference". Then the starship Enterprise/Defiant/Voyager would zoom on by and never return and everything that happened would never be mentioned again and promptly forgotten in time for next episode. Instead, on Battlestar Galactica, it's the main characters who go through these issues. We aren't preached at with who is "right", we see both sides at the same time. The Good Guys are pushed into a corner and have to resort to suicide bombing and hiding weapons in places of worship during an occupation. The Good Guys justify torturing prisoners by saying they aren't really people or that the information they have is so vital it justifies it. The Good Guys nearly go to a civil war over the limits of the power of the military in a time of war. Decisions they make have consequences that follow them across the series, and people don't forget what you did. 3. Oh, heaven forbid that characters have romantic relationships when there are only fortysomethousand people left alive, and they know that procreation is the only way the human race can survive. 2. If you watch the episode, it was more of Adama thinking he was responsible. Yes, he did something that broke the treaty, but the episode also implies it was one of many missions that did this, the Colonials already knew that the Cylons were making a heavy buildup, and Roslin points out he is being way too hard on himself. If that was the real cause of the attack, instead of his own guilt, wouldn't any of the Cylons who met Adama ever mention it? 1. I thought that episode was a creative way to have a character heavy episode that established a lot of what happened when they jumped a year ahead in the timeline. Not every episode is about Galactica slugging it out with Basestars and blowing the frack out of Cylons. [/QUOTE]
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