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<blockquote data-quote="Umbran" data-source="post: 9468379" data-attributes="member: 177">With respect, it was Bloodtide's original statement.&nbsp; I opened with &quot;If, as you say, the players own their PCs, and the DM everything else...&quot;The point I was making is that no logic or path was given to take us from the start (&quot;Players own PCs, GM everything else&quot;) to the end (having &quot;share&quot; mean &quot;anything&quot;).And you aren't spelling it out, either, which doesn't help.&nbsp; This discussion feels like there's resistance to the idea that people who play a game together are sharing elements of that play with each other. Having one kid own the sandbox, and the other own the Tonka trucks does not somehow make the meaning of &quot;share&quot; weirdly undefined.&nbsp; How we share stuff is, again, a kindergarten-level thing.&nbsp; Why is it a problem here?If other discussions (which seem to center much own ownership, rather than the nature of sharing) matter so much, I remind you that sharing does not need to change ownership - it can be a temporary agreement to allow use (a social-contract license, if you will: you can use it, but don't intentionally break it, etc.).&nbsp; At that sandbox, when kids go in for supper, the ownership of the trucks and sandbox have not changed.&nbsp; They were lent out to each other for a while to use, but when Sally goes home, she can take her trucks with her and the kid with the sand then doesn't have them to use.Perhaps the &quot;social contract license&quot; thing gives some people pause? Admittedly the terms of social contracts are often unstated.&nbsp; Well, then state what you want to be part of it in Session Zero, and make sure the others agree! F'rex, in the sandbox, there's a level of wear and tear that may happen to a truck - scratches to the paintjob from sand and all, that is allowable, but wholloping a truck with a cinderblock is probably out....If Sony and Marvel can work out how to share Spider-Man, you can work out how you share game stuff with your players.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Umbran, post: 9468379, member: 177"] With respect, it was [I]Bloodtide's[/I] original statement. I opened with "[I]If, as you say[/I], the players own their PCs, and the DM everything else..." The point I was making is that no [I]logic or path[/I] was given to take us from the start ("Players own PCs, GM everything else") to the end (having "share" mean "anything"). And you aren't spelling it out, either, which doesn't help. This discussion feels like there's [I]resistance[/I] to the idea that people who play a game together are sharing elements of that play with each other. Having one kid own the sandbox, and the other own the Tonka trucks does not somehow make the meaning of "share" weirdly undefined. How we share stuff is, again, a kindergarten-level thing. Why is it a problem here? If other discussions (which seem to center much own [I]ownership[/I], rather than the nature of sharing) matter so much, I remind you that sharing does not need to change ownership - it can be a temporary agreement to allow use (a social-contract license, if you will: you can use it, but don't intentionally break it, etc.). At that sandbox, when kids go in for supper, the ownership of the trucks and sandbox have not changed. They were lent out to each other for a while to use, but when Sally goes home, she can take her trucks with her and the kid with the sand then doesn't have them to use. Perhaps the "social contract license" thing gives some people pause? Admittedly the terms of social contracts are often unstated. Well, then state what you want to be part of it in Session Zero, and make sure the others agree! F'rex, in the sandbox, there's a level of wear and tear that may happen to a truck - scratches to the paintjob from sand and all, that is allowable, but wholloping a truck with a cinderblock is probably out.... If Sony and Marvel can work out how to share Spider-Man, you can work out how you share game stuff with your players. [/QUOTE]

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