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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Umbran" data-source="post: 6319833" data-attributes="member: 177">To quote Will Smith - "My attitude is:  Don't start nothin', won't BE nothin'."  If you look for something, of course you'll find it.  The question is whether you need to look for it.Long ways back, I was playing in a White Wolf Mage game.  For those of you who are not familiar with old World of Darkness games, the cracks in the system that players can manipulate make most of D&D's issues look like pretty little butterflies.  And we had a local player who was very, very good at finding the exploits.  We are talking about a guy who now does this professionally, for the military - he designs and administrates wargame exercises for a living.Our GM went to this player, and told him to make a group of Wyrm-tainted nasties, and he'd guest star as our enemies.  When the regular party (including me) heard this, we were kind of scared.  The guy was *good*.  He knew the rules up, down, and sideways, and we'd made little effort to min-max our characters.  We'd gone for concepts and a bit of coolness, not outright power.To our surprise, and his, and the GM's, we mopped the floor with him.  It took some effort, we took a little damage, but he didn't come close to killing any of us.  The difference - we were four minds who had been playing together for years.  We knew each other's styles and competencies (the monster-player knew us, but didn't know our characters at all).  The term "well oiled machine" came to mind.  We used better tactics, avoided putting ourselves in a toe-to-toe slugfest (which we'd have lost horribly, I expect), and so on.  It was an awesome session.Which is to say, I'd prefer a game in which you outthink the enemy in play, not in character build.  Far more satisfying, to me.</blockquote>

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