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<blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 6321377" data-attributes="member: 22779">Nope.&nbsp; Not at all.&nbsp; I'm not saying anything because I honestly don't know.&nbsp; You're the one making the claim.&nbsp; You're the one who has to back it up with some evidence.&nbsp; The company that is doing the best with D&amp;D at the moment made its mark through modules which are all based on 3e mechanics and baselines.&nbsp; Somebody was buying and playing those modules.&nbsp; And, apparently people still are.&nbsp; But this is a straw man.&nbsp; You don't have to adhere exactly to the rules to not get to where you are claiming that groups had significant variance from the baseline.&nbsp; 10-20% in either direction for party wealth would make little difference to the game, for example.&nbsp; And, note, EL appropriate challenges is a mistaken interpretation of what 3e encounter guidelines actually say.&nbsp; The 3e and 3.5 DMG are pretty clear that many encounters will not be EL par encounters.&nbsp; And why no house rules, variants or 3rd P materials?&nbsp; Those are all based on the 3e baselines.&nbsp; 3rd Party materials are rightfully criticised when they vary too greatly from those baselines- that's why they get called broken.But, yeah, this isn't likely to go anywhere.&nbsp; I asked to see your evidence and got shown pretty much what I expected.&nbsp; I see your anecdote and call with my own.&nbsp; Get back to me when you have anything actually showing that your experiences are indicative of anything other than your own experiences.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Hussar, post: 6321377, member: 22779"] Nope. Not at all. I'm not saying anything because I honestly don't know. You're the one making the claim. You're the one who has to back it up with some evidence. The company that is doing the best with D&D at the moment made its mark through modules which are all based on 3e mechanics and baselines. Somebody was buying and playing those modules. And, apparently people still are. But this is a straw man. You don't have to adhere exactly to the rules to not get to where you are claiming that groups had significant variance from the baseline. 10-20% in either direction for party wealth would make little difference to the game, for example. And, note, EL appropriate challenges is a mistaken interpretation of what 3e encounter guidelines actually say. The 3e and 3.5 DMG are pretty clear that many encounters will not be EL par encounters. And why no house rules, variants or 3rd P materials? Those are all based on the 3e baselines. 3rd Party materials are rightfully criticised when they vary too greatly from those baselines- that's why they get called broken. But, yeah, this isn't likely to go anywhere. I asked to see your evidence and got shown pretty much what I expected. I see your anecdote and call with my own. Get back to me when you have anything actually showing that your experiences are indicative of anything other than your own experiences. [/QUOTE]

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