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<blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 6325111" data-attributes="member: 22779">Oh, sorry, I certainly did not meant to imply or state that all physicists do this all the time.&nbsp; It's certainly not true.&nbsp; But, when you start getting into some of the more esoteric ends of quantum physics and whatnot, it does apparently happen.-----On the incoherence bit, I tend to be a bit cynical to be honest.&nbsp; The argument is never, &quot;I want sim games, so, I use the best tools to get what I want.&quot;&nbsp; It's almost always, &quot;Well, I consider myself to be a sim player, and when I played my favourite edition, I enjoyed the experience.&nbsp; When I played your edition, I didn't enjoy it, therefore, your game must not be sim.&quot;It's quite simply tribalism and a means to try to exclude 4e and 4e fans from the game.&nbsp; You see it all the time.&nbsp; &quot;Every edition before 4e let me do X, and 4e didn't, so....&quot;&nbsp; The only problem is, when you scratch beneath the surface, and not very far usually, most of the time the &quot;every edition&quot; or &quot;players like me&quot; or &quot;everyone did this back then&quot; tends to be pretty idiosyncratic and limited to one table's experience and mostly unsupported by anything actually in the text of the game.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Hussar, post: 6325111, member: 22779"] Oh, sorry, I certainly did not meant to imply or state that all physicists do this all the time. It's certainly not true. But, when you start getting into some of the more esoteric ends of quantum physics and whatnot, it does apparently happen. ----- On the incoherence bit, I tend to be a bit cynical to be honest. The argument is never, "I want sim games, so, I use the best tools to get what I want." It's almost always, "Well, I consider myself to be a sim player, and when I played my favourite edition, I enjoyed the experience. When I played [i]your[/i] edition, I didn't enjoy it, therefore, your game must not be sim." It's quite simply tribalism and a means to try to exclude 4e and 4e fans from the game. You see it all the time. "Every edition before 4e let me do X, and 4e didn't, so...." The only problem is, when you scratch beneath the surface, and not very far usually, most of the time the "every edition" or "players like me" or "everyone did this back then" tends to be pretty idiosyncratic and limited to one table's experience and mostly unsupported by anything actually in the text of the game. [/QUOTE]

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