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<blockquote data-quote="Jackinthegreen" data-source="post: 6062869" data-attributes="member: 6678119"><p>Deepwarden and FotF do stack actually since they are different kinds of bonuses. Deepwarden's Con to AC explicitly replaces Dex to AC (check RoS page 105), which means it functions the same and would end up adding to touch. The entire point of the feature is to use Con instead of Dex after all, so not being able to do that is essentially a useless feature which no reasonable person would go along with, RAW or RAI. Fist of the Forest functions the same as a Monk's Wisdom to AC and is a general AC bonus. It doesn't matter if they use the same ability so long as they are different effects, and they are.</p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.d20srd.org/srd/feats.htm#powerAttack" target="_blank">Power Attack</a> can explicitly be used with unarmed strikes and natural weapons: "You can’t add the bonus from Power Attack to the damage dealt with a light weapon (<em>except with <a href="http://www.d20srd.org/srd/equipment/weapons.htm#unarmedStrike" target="_blank">unarmed strikes</a> or <a href="http://www.d20srd.org/srd/specialAbilities.htm#naturalWeapons" target="_blank">natural weapon</a> attacks)</em>..." It says nothing about monks only being able to have that option. Plus the FotF PrC requires Power Attack and Imprved Unarmed Strike and the fluff says several barbarians and other wild characters end up becoming a Fist. By your claim, anyone without a monk level wouldn't be able to effectively use the PrC.</p><p></p><p>The weapons and shield and such are for those times not in bear form. Of course they can't be used while bear raging. As for the other items that do seem to be used while bear raging like the boots of speed, you seem to have a legitimate point. A wilding clasp (Magic of Faerun 167-168) would work to secure the amulet (and potential vest) since it works with polymorph and wild shape effects, but it wouldn't work on the boots or any other clothing item.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Jackinthegreen, post: 6062869, member: 6678119"] Deepwarden and FotF do stack actually since they are different kinds of bonuses. Deepwarden's Con to AC explicitly replaces Dex to AC (check RoS page 105), which means it functions the same and would end up adding to touch. The entire point of the feature is to use Con instead of Dex after all, so not being able to do that is essentially a useless feature which no reasonable person would go along with, RAW or RAI. Fist of the Forest functions the same as a Monk's Wisdom to AC and is a general AC bonus. It doesn't matter if they use the same ability so long as they are different effects, and they are. [url=http://www.d20srd.org/srd/feats.htm#powerAttack]Power Attack[/url] can explicitly be used with unarmed strikes and natural weapons: "You can’t add the bonus from Power Attack to the damage dealt with a light weapon ([I]except with [URL="http://www.d20srd.org/srd/equipment/weapons.htm#unarmedStrike"]unarmed strikes[/URL] or [URL="http://www.d20srd.org/srd/specialAbilities.htm#naturalWeapons"]natural weapon[/URL] attacks)[/I]..." It says nothing about monks only being able to have that option. Plus the FotF PrC requires Power Attack and Imprved Unarmed Strike and the fluff says several barbarians and other wild characters end up becoming a Fist. By your claim, anyone without a monk level wouldn't be able to effectively use the PrC. The weapons and shield and such are for those times not in bear form. Of course they can't be used while bear raging. As for the other items that do seem to be used while bear raging like the boots of speed, you seem to have a legitimate point. A wilding clasp (Magic of Faerun 167-168) would work to secure the amulet (and potential vest) since it works with polymorph and wild shape effects, but it wouldn't work on the boots or any other clothing item. [/QUOTE]
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