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<blockquote data-quote="Brakkis" data-source="post: 6808790" data-attributes="member: 6808957"><p>Ugh, I detest the point buy system. 4d6 drop the lowest, as it's always been. But for this scenario, let's give it a look. No magic items. I'm writing this out while I do the numbers and I'm going to post it. If it comes out way ahead of Hunter then I'll certainly do something to drop it down.</p><p></p><p><strong>Ranger Level</strong> - 7th</p><p><strong>Starting Dexterity</strong> - 15</p><p><strong>Weapon</strong> - Longbow (1d8)</p><p><strong>4th level ASI/Feat</strong> - +2 Dex</p><p></p><p>Hunter (Colossus Slayer) - 1 Target</p><p>2d8+12 + 1d8 (24 avg)</p><p></p><p>Hunter (Colossus Slayer) - 2 Targets</p><p>2d8+12 + 1d8 (24 avg) </p><p><strong><em>-or-</em></strong> </p><p>1d8+6 +1d8 (14 avg) & 1d8+6 (10 avg)</p><p></p><p></p><p>Hunter (Horde Breaker) - 1 Target</p><p>2d8+12 (20 avg)</p><p></p><p>Hunter (Horde Breaker) - 2 Targets</p><p>2d8+12 (20 avg) & 1d8+6 (10 avg)</p><p></p><p></p><p><strong>Ranger Level</strong> - 7th</p><p><strong>Starting Dexterity</strong> - 15</p><p><strong>Weapon</strong> - Longbow (1d8)</p><p><strong>4th level ASI/Feat</strong> - +2 Dex</p><p><strong>Pet</strong> - Black Bear</p><p><strong>6th level pet ASI</strong> +2 Str</p><p></p><p>Beast Master (without <em>Unleashed</em>) - 1 Target</p><p>2d8+12 (20 avg) </p><p><strong><em>-or-</em></strong> </p><p>1d8+6 + 1d6+6 (19 avg) - <strong>Bear - Claw</strong></p><p><strong><em>-or-</em></strong> </p><p>1d8+6 + 2d4+6 (20 avg) - <strong>Bear - Bite</strong></p><p></p><p>Beast Master (without <em>Unleashed</em>) - 2 Targets</p><p>2d8+12 (20 avg) </p><p><strong><em>-or-</em></strong></p><p>1d8+6 (10 avg) & 1d8+6 (10 avg)</p><p><strong><em>-or-</em></strong> </p><p>1d8+6 + 1d6+6 (19 avg) - <strong>Bear - Claw - Same Target</strong></p><p><strong><em>-or-</em></strong></p><p>1d8+6 (10 avg) & 1d6+6 (9 avg) - <strong>Bear - Claw - Different Target</strong></p><p><strong><em>-or-</em></strong> </p><p>1d8+6 + 2d4+6 (20 avg) - <strong>Bear - Bite - Same Target</strong></p><p><strong><em>-or-</em></strong></p><p>1d8+6 (10 avg) & 2d4+6 (10 avg) - <strong>Bear - Bite - Different Target</strong></p><p></p><p></p><p>Beast Master (<strong>with</strong> <em>Unleashed</em>) - 1 Target</p><p>2d8+12 + 1d6+6 (29 avg) - <strong>Bear - Claw</strong> </p><p><strong><em>-or-</em></strong> </p><p>2d8+12 + 2d4+6 (30 avg) - <strong>Bear - Bite</strong> </p><p></p><p>Beast Master (<strong>with</strong> <em>Unleashed</em>) - 2 Targets</p><p>2d8+12 + 1d6+6 (29 avg) - <strong>Bear - Claw - Same Target</strong></p><p><strong><em>-or-</em></strong></p><p>2d8+12 (20 avg) & 1d6+6 (9 avg) - <strong>Bear - Claw - Different Target</strong></p><p><strong><em>-or-</em></strong> </p><p>2d8+12 + 2d4+6 (30 avg) - <strong>Bear - Bite - Same Target</strong></p><p><strong><em>-or-</em></strong></p><p>2d8+12 (20 avg) & 2d4+6 (10 avg) - <strong>Bear - Bite - Different Target</strong> </p><p></p><p>Okay so the math might be off a bit on what's average but I can see that </p><p>- Without <em>Unleashed</em>, both Prey choices are ahead of the Beast Master in their respective strengths (Colossus Slayer > Beast Master vs. Single target) & (Horde Breaker > Beast Master vs Multiple targets). </p><p>- With <em>Unleashed</em>, the Beast Master breaks even with Horde Breaker on multiple targets.</p><p>- With <em>Unleashed</em>, the Beast Master's single target damage is quite a bit ahead of Hunter with Colossus Slayer.</p><p></p><p>Could drop the Proficiency bonus from the companion's damage rolls, and bring it down to within a couple damage points. The real test is 11, when the Hunter gets Volley and if you're facing multiple targets at a time or a boss. Could alter <em>Unleashed</em> so that it also removes the Ranger's proficiency bonus from the Companion while it's in effect. The third option is to drop the 3 ASI's the Companion gets with this build change.</p><p></p><p>Personally I feel like you go Hunter (Horde Breaker) if your campaign involves fighting multiple enemies at a time more frequently, and if it's a few multiple enemy skirmishes with big bosses more often, go Beast Master. Currently it's go Hunter regardless, ignore Beast Master.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Brakkis, post: 6808790, member: 6808957"] Ugh, I detest the point buy system. 4d6 drop the lowest, as it's always been. But for this scenario, let's give it a look. No magic items. I'm writing this out while I do the numbers and I'm going to post it. If it comes out way ahead of Hunter then I'll certainly do something to drop it down. [B]Ranger Level[/B] - 7th [B]Starting Dexterity[/B] - 15 [B]Weapon[/B] - Longbow (1d8) [B]4th level ASI/Feat[/B] - +2 Dex Hunter (Colossus Slayer) - 1 Target 2d8+12 + 1d8 (24 avg) Hunter (Colossus Slayer) - 2 Targets 2d8+12 + 1d8 (24 avg) [B][I]-or-[/I][/B] 1d8+6 +1d8 (14 avg) & 1d8+6 (10 avg) Hunter (Horde Breaker) - 1 Target 2d8+12 (20 avg) Hunter (Horde Breaker) - 2 Targets 2d8+12 (20 avg) & 1d8+6 (10 avg) [B]Ranger Level[/B] - 7th [B]Starting Dexterity[/B] - 15 [B]Weapon[/B] - Longbow (1d8) [B]4th level ASI/Feat[/B] - +2 Dex [B]Pet[/B] - Black Bear [B]6th level pet ASI[/B] +2 Str Beast Master (without [I]Unleashed[/I]) - 1 Target 2d8+12 (20 avg) [B][I]-or-[/I][/B] 1d8+6 + 1d6+6 (19 avg) - [B]Bear - Claw[/B] [B][I]-or-[/I][/B] 1d8+6 + 2d4+6 (20 avg) - [B]Bear - Bite[/B] Beast Master (without [I]Unleashed[/I]) - 2 Targets 2d8+12 (20 avg) [B][I]-or-[/I][/B] 1d8+6 (10 avg) & 1d8+6 (10 avg) [B][I]-or-[/I][/B] 1d8+6 + 1d6+6 (19 avg) - [B]Bear - Claw - Same Target[/B] [B][I]-or-[/I][/B] 1d8+6 (10 avg) & 1d6+6 (9 avg) - [B]Bear - Claw - Different Target[/B] [B][I]-or-[/I][/B] 1d8+6 + 2d4+6 (20 avg) - [B]Bear - Bite - Same Target[/B] [B][I]-or-[/I][/B] 1d8+6 (10 avg) & 2d4+6 (10 avg) - [B]Bear - Bite - Different Target[/B] Beast Master ([B]with[/B] [I]Unleashed[/I]) - 1 Target 2d8+12 + 1d6+6 (29 avg) - [B]Bear - Claw[/B] [B][I]-or-[/I][/B] 2d8+12 + 2d4+6 (30 avg) - [B]Bear - Bite[/B] Beast Master ([B]with[/B] [I]Unleashed[/I]) - 2 Targets 2d8+12 + 1d6+6 (29 avg) - [B]Bear - Claw - Same Target[/B] [B][I]-or-[/I][/B] 2d8+12 (20 avg) & 1d6+6 (9 avg) - [B]Bear - Claw - Different Target[/B] [B][I]-or-[/I][/B] 2d8+12 + 2d4+6 (30 avg) - [B]Bear - Bite - Same Target[/B] [B][I]-or-[/I][/B] 2d8+12 (20 avg) & 2d4+6 (10 avg) - [B]Bear - Bite - Different Target[/B] Okay so the math might be off a bit on what's average but I can see that - Without [I]Unleashed[/I], both Prey choices are ahead of the Beast Master in their respective strengths (Colossus Slayer > Beast Master vs. Single target) & (Horde Breaker > Beast Master vs Multiple targets). - With [I]Unleashed[/I], the Beast Master breaks even with Horde Breaker on multiple targets. - With [I]Unleashed[/I], the Beast Master's single target damage is quite a bit ahead of Hunter with Colossus Slayer. Could drop the Proficiency bonus from the companion's damage rolls, and bring it down to within a couple damage points. The real test is 11, when the Hunter gets Volley and if you're facing multiple targets at a time or a boss. Could alter [i]Unleashed[/i] so that it also removes the Ranger's proficiency bonus from the Companion while it's in effect. The third option is to drop the 3 ASI's the Companion gets with this build change. Personally I feel like you go Hunter (Horde Breaker) if your campaign involves fighting multiple enemies at a time more frequently, and if it's a few multiple enemy skirmishes with big bosses more often, go Beast Master. Currently it's go Hunter regardless, ignore Beast Master. [/QUOTE]
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