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<blockquote data-quote="Lyxen" data-source="post: 8543463" data-attributes="member: 7032025"><p>OK</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>And this is where we differ, I would not give them the choice. In particular, the stealth rule are clear, they are against the passive (or active if they are looking for) of single creatures. Perception is instinctive anyway, so you can benefit from someone's help in that they will let you know that they have spotted something, which is already cool and perfectly on the level of a wolf companion.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>This is not the way it works. If you are doing this in rounds and it's the only thing that you are doing (basically the only action that you are taking), you are actually specifically searching (the action called search), and there's not much reason for it to be passive.</p><p></p><p>In any case, I would not allow the combination perception, it's always on but it's instinctual, so having another one besides you only helps in so far as they can warn you if they sense something.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>In a sense, you are right, but fro me, it goes beyond that.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>And for me, it's exactly the other way around. The help action in combat is well documented and makes sense, so if the wolf is actually jsut helping and not attacking himself, there is indeed a penalty that compensates the advantage that the ranger gets and it makes an overall sense.</p><p></p><p>After that, for hunting, I would consider the circumstances, sometimes it might help, sometimes not, but hunting is much more than just using sharp senses, you need to you your brain too, and that's where coordination becomes difficult. As for perception, which is purely instinctual, I would not allow the combination.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Lyxen, post: 8543463, member: 7032025"] OK And this is where we differ, I would not give them the choice. In particular, the stealth rule are clear, they are against the passive (or active if they are looking for) of single creatures. Perception is instinctive anyway, so you can benefit from someone's help in that they will let you know that they have spotted something, which is already cool and perfectly on the level of a wolf companion. This is not the way it works. If you are doing this in rounds and it's the only thing that you are doing (basically the only action that you are taking), you are actually specifically searching (the action called search), and there's not much reason for it to be passive. In any case, I would not allow the combination perception, it's always on but it's instinctual, so having another one besides you only helps in so far as they can warn you if they sense something. In a sense, you are right, but fro me, it goes beyond that. And for me, it's exactly the other way around. The help action in combat is well documented and makes sense, so if the wolf is actually jsut helping and not attacking himself, there is indeed a penalty that compensates the advantage that the ranger gets and it makes an overall sense. After that, for hunting, I would consider the circumstances, sometimes it might help, sometimes not, but hunting is much more than just using sharp senses, you need to you your brain too, and that's where coordination becomes difficult. As for perception, which is purely instinctual, I would not allow the combination. [/QUOTE]
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