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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Lyxen" data-source="post: 8546011" data-attributes="member: 7032025">So now that you don't find support in them, they are irrelevant ? Interesting step back...There is no such thing as automatic surprise. Sorry, if you think there is, please point the rule that says so.Yep, so they apply to every single person in the group, as per any group check. Anything else ?And that's exactly what I say. Where is the automatic surprise ? Still not a trace of it.I thought they were irrelevant ?In any case, this is just to see if anyone in the group notices the threat. You can treat it as a group check or you can treat that as a series of individual ones, the fact is that they apply to everyone in the group. And that is just to notice the threat in advance. Before someone falls into a trap. Before entering into an ambush.Nope, sorry, show me ONE RULE that tells that someone can't use it individually in any situation. Just ONE. I dare you.The only thing that the rules say is that it still is still there (and therefore applicable to them) but that it does not count towards' the group's success. It's not that they can't use it. It's ONLY towards the group's success. Prove that it's not the case.100% false and absurd, since what you bolded not only shows that they HAVE a Passive Perception, and you are just forgetting half of the sentence, that does not mean auto fail. How can it say "autofail" on anything ? It's not even in the sentence !No, sorry, the noticing threat is totally general, and has nothing to do with the type of threat. It could be a trap, for example. Nothing links it to the combat, except for a clear reference that says "when combat start, use the combat section": "If the adventurers encounter a hostile creature or group, the DM determines whether the adventurers or their foes might be <a href="https://www.dndbeyond.com/sources/basic-rules/combat#Surprise" target="_blank">surprised</a> when combat erupts. See <a href="https://www.dndbeyond.com/sources/phb/combat" target="_blank">chapter 9</a> for more about <a href="https://www.dndbeyond.com/sources/phb/combat#Surprise" target="_blank">surprise</a>." And that's it.It tells you to apply the surprise rules of chapter 9, which starts with "determining surprise by pp vs. steath check". Where does it say "autofail exactly" ?Exactly what I said and applied. Where does it say autofail ? How does "not contributing to the group's success" translate to autofail ? By what magic ?</blockquote>

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