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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Lyxen" data-source="post: 8547435" data-attributes="member: 7032025">Exactly. And does it say that the distracted creature has anything impacting its passive perception ? Does it say anything about an impact on surprise rolls ? No. (and no, before you even try this, the creature is NOT travelling, ie NOT doing anything like mapping). Even though you MIGHT remain hidden the creature still gets a passive perception check as is the case when trying to use stealth on someone: "Passive Perception. When you hide, there’s a chance someone will notice you even if they aren’t searching. To determine whether such a creature notices you, the DM compares your Dexterity (Stealth) check with that creature’s passive Wisdom (Perception) score, which equals 10 + the creature’s Wisdom modifier, as well as any other bonuses or penalties." Nothing supersedes this rule anywhere. The DM allows you to remain hidden although you are in plain sight, but there is no avoiding that check.This is exactly why JC provides his very clear example in the Podcast on stealth, he takes that EXACT same example with a creature that is distracted: ". Once you've made your check and that again is you have to make sure you're not sort of standing right out in the open with no visual obstruction at all. And you're not like screaming or shattering things and what not the stealthiest screamer around. Now we even say though, right in the stealth rule this is going back to this is a part of the game. Firmly in the DMS hands, we even say that the being out in the open part, the DM can ignore if the circumstances are right like you might be sneaking up on somebody who's watching, let's say some instals perform on street of water deep. And they might be so engrossed by the performance that even though it's broad daylight. There's no fog. And you're just walking right up behind the person. The DM might decide, well, you know your dexterity.check was good enough, and this person is so distracted I'm going to let you do this right out in the open. Now the DM might decide though, okay, this guys distracted, so I'm going to let you just. I'm going to let you attempt this, but you might get a lousy roll. Which means maybe you bumped into somebody you tripped, you did something to give your position away, or even if you don't mind aside, maybe you didn't give your position away, but it just means you utterly failed to sneak up on this person. So again, this is a great example of the environment really plays a big role in the attentiveness of other people. It makes sense now going back to passive perception. This is, as its name implies, passive. And it's considered to be always on, unless you're under the effect of a condition like the unconscious condition that says you're not aware of your surroundings that really the practical effect of that is basically your passive perception is shut off. Passive perception is on basically whenever you're conscious and aware. Advantage and disadvantage can be applied to it if you have advantage on pass on, let's say perception checks in general. Then it would affect your passive perception by giving you a + 5. Similarly, if you have disadvantage, you have minus five to your passive perception score, because its passive a player does not get to say they use it. This isn't this isn't something people using my passive lesson right now. You know, it's always on. That's the baseline."THe "engrossed person" still has his passive perception. Nothing changes that.</blockquote>

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