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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Lyxen" data-source="post: 8549643" data-attributes="member: 7032025">So that "straighforward interpretation" is actually reading that "the group’s chance of noticing hidden threats" actually means "the individual's chance to be surprised". And you call this "the support is absolutely there" ? Honestly...It does not contradict rules, it contradicts any sensible reading of "the group's chance of noticing hidden threats", since this is a group thing as SPECIFICALLY written, when you absolutely insist everywhere else that all checks are individual.As for my interpretation, I've shown you that all the travel rules are abouta group. Do you deny this ? Do you deny in particular this: "SPLITTING UP THE PARTYSometimes, it makes sense to split an adventuring party, especially if you want one or more characters to scout ahead. You can form multiple parties, each moving at a different speed. Each group has its own front, middle, and back ranks.The drawback to this approach is that the party will be split into several smaller groups in the event of an attack. The advantage is that a small group of stealthy characters moving slowly might be able to sneak past enemies that clumsier characters would alert. A rogue and a monk moving at a slow pace are much harder to detect when they leave their dwarf fighter friend behind."Everything in there is about groups, it never talks about individuals, the only thing that you are making are smaller groups...Also this, which is the first and most critical sentence about the whole section: "Use the passive Wisdom (Perception) scores of the characters to determine whether anyone in the group notices a hidden threat."So no, I'm sorry, but in the whole section that talks about groups, a sentence reading "the group’s chance of noticing hidden threats" obviously refers to the group.It's funny you saying that when the WHOLE CONTEXT of the section is, as demonstrated, about the group. So yes, the designers assume that people will understand that context, but obviously, they were not clear enough...</blockquote>

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