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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Lyxen" data-source="post: 8551120" data-attributes="member: 7032025">Again, that does not mean anything, I have provided you with way more respectable references outside of this forum that show you that your interpretation is incorrect. You have shown nothing expect the misreading of a single sentence. And it IS a misreading, nothing in that sentence removes the PP from a character, nothing makes it not applicable to surprise in particular. The sentence in question does not even link to the surprise rules.For me, there are two reasons:<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Not understanding the stealth and surprise rules. They are clear and simple (especially in the area that we are considering), but they require a lot of DM input, again as explained by all the sites that I've pointed out. Passive Perception in particular can be a bit tricky to understand, which is why there are so many sites out there explaining it exactly the way I do (and none the way you think). Just read them.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Being afraid that perception is too powerful and unbalances the skills, and absolutely wanting more balance in the game. 5e is not a balanced game, it was not designed that way, the devs say it explicitly. So why would you expect the skills to be equally useful ?</li> </ul>But maybe you can tell me why you insist, in front of so much overwhelming evidence from all the sites and advice out there, that it has to be your way ?</blockquote>