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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Ozmar" data-source="post: 1630622" data-attributes="member: 8021">Uhm... yeah. I guess if that's the game you want to play. Me, I'm happy playing D&D with all the spells. Strangely, I don't have any trouble or worry with finding ways to "nerf" greater invis b/c its never been an issue in my games. I guess all the common counters to greater invis (I listed just a few) make it a useful, but hardly broken or overpowering, spell. I mean, I don't setup encounters thinking "Darwi has invisibility, so I'll need to give this hobgoblin a potion of see invisibility", but I find that on average, between a third and half the monsters have ways to contend with invisible things, and the smarter ones usually do have a potion or an ability or some tactic to fall back on. After all, there are a few invisible critters out there, and anyone concerned with meeting a level 5 wizard or an invisible stalker would take reasonable precautions within their abilities.Still, whatever floats your airship in your own campaign. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> I've just never seen the need in mine.Later!Ozmar the Agreeable</blockquote>