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<blockquote data-quote="FANGO" data-source="post: 140424" data-attributes="member: 2368">To add a little more to this conversation that people seem to have missed...1) that 23 str barbarian, when raging, can clean and jerk 1,040 lbs.&nbsp; The world record (depending on weight class) is around 500 lbs.&nbsp; Even without raging he could lift 600 lbs above his head, which is still far more than anyone on earth can today, although I think in a situation like lifting weights we can go ahead and factor in rage since olympians are probably trying their hardest ;-) .&nbsp; Also, some of that 23 str probably comes from magic...so we're not talking about a regular person bashing through a wall here, we're talking about the buffest guy around who's also been made even buffer by magic.2) A wooden-handled sledge would probably be better for the job than a metal-handled one, as Blood Jester pointed out a little while back, because wood does a very good job of taking stress and then bouncing back.&nbsp; Metal, on the other hand, will bend and stay bent.&nbsp; This is why houses are built of wood and concrete is reinforced with steel-different materials can handle different levels of stress and will react differently when that stress is applied.&nbsp; In the case of a wooden-handled hammer, unless someone is trying to break it, it would hold up very well under this particular kind of abuse.We've had similar problems to this in my group, and the DM (who everyone regards as not a great DM, because of his tendency to make snap rulings with absolutely no basis in anything, and even when we ask him why he made that ruling he can't come up with an answer, usually not even a &quot;because I think that's how it should be&quot; (most commonly it's just &quot;because I say so&quot;)) simply doesn't allow the orcish fighter with knowledge of architecture &amp; engineering, multiple magical strength items and magical weapons to bash through normal, 1 foot stone walls because he got tired of us &quot;renovating&quot; his dungeons (which we really only did once or twice).&nbsp; And in this case, with plenty of time and multiple workers, you should definitely be able to pull it off (although it would work a little better with tools that were made for the job, as the warhammer really isn't quite designed to smash through walls, but I still believe that it would work, just not be as effective as a tool that was made specifically for the task at hand).</blockquote>

[QUOTE="FANGO, post: 140424, member: 2368"] To add a little more to this conversation that people seem to have missed... 1) that 23 str barbarian, when raging, can clean and jerk 1,040 lbs. The world record (depending on weight class) is around 500 lbs. Even without raging he could lift 600 lbs above his head, which is still far more than anyone on earth can today, although I think in a situation like lifting weights we can go ahead and factor in rage since olympians are probably trying their hardest ;-) . Also, some of that 23 str probably comes from magic...so we're not talking about a regular person bashing through a wall here, we're talking about the buffest guy around who's also been made even buffer by magic. 2) A wooden-handled sledge would probably be better for the job than a metal-handled one, as Blood Jester pointed out a little while back, because wood does a very good job of taking stress and then bouncing back. Metal, on the other hand, will bend and stay bent. This is why houses are built of wood and concrete is reinforced with steel-different materials can handle different levels of stress and will react differently when that stress is applied. In the case of a wooden-handled hammer, unless someone is trying to break it, it would hold up very well under this particular kind of abuse. We've had similar problems to this in my group, and the DM (who everyone regards as not a great DM, because of his tendency to make snap rulings with absolutely no basis in anything, and even when we ask him why he made that ruling he can't come up with an answer, usually not even a "because I think that's how it should be" (most commonly it's just "because I say so")) simply doesn't allow the orcish fighter with knowledge of architecture & engineering, multiple magical strength items and magical weapons to bash through normal, 1 foot stone walls because he got tired of us "renovating" his dungeons (which we really only did once or twice). And in this case, with plenty of time and multiple workers, you should definitely be able to pull it off (although it would work a little better with tools that were made for the job, as the warhammer really isn't quite designed to smash through walls, but I still believe that it would work, just not be as effective as a tool that was made specifically for the task at hand). [/QUOTE]

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