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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Turanil" data-source="post: 3392527" data-attributes="member: 9646">Well, if this is true, I will remove any mentions I did about that, since personally I don't really like such kind of consideration in RPGs.So:ABOUT COMELINESSEven if Charisma can represent physical attractiveness, it is not due to physical appearance. Rather, when Charisma represents physical attractiveness, it's a matter of natural charm and seduction ability. It is comeliness that represents physical appearance. However, comeliness is not the 7th ability and doesn't get a 3-18 score. Instead, by default all characters are assumed to have an average appearance, that some may find pretty while other won't. Looking attractive or not is before all in the eyes of the onlooker; people have varying criteria of who looks good or not. To be notably beautiful or ugly (with actual effects on others), one needs to take the relevant feats :Beautiful [General]- Prerequisite: none.- The character has perfect physical traits for his race and gender. Most people tend to be favorably inclined toward a beautiful character, and those who may have a sexual interest in his/her race and gender (which generally include, but is not limited to, most people of the same race and opposite gender) tend to feel attracted to him/her. This will translate into the character getting a +2 bonus to all his/her charisma-based skill checks, increasing to +4 when romance and lust is involved. Then, a beautiful character is more easily noticed (+2 to others' Notice checks when in a crowd), which may be useful or hindering depending on the circumstances.- A character cannot acquire this feat if he possesses the Ugly feat, and he cannot select the Beautiful feat except at 1st level. Beautiful may only be taken later if justified by a supernatural event (as with the character using a Wish spell to become beautiful). This feat's effects do not apply when the character is suffering age penalties for old or venerable age, nor when the character appears old or venerable.Ugly[General]- Prerequisite: not have the Ugly feat.- The character has hideous physical traits. Most people tend to be unfavorably inclined toward an ugly character, and those who may have a sexual interest in his/her race and gender (which generally include, but is not limited to, most people of the same race and opposite gender) tend to feel repelled by him/her. This will translate into the character getting a -2 penalty to all his/her charisma-based skill checks, increasing to -6 when romance and lust is involved. Then, an ugly character is more easily noticed (+2 to others' Notice checks when in a crowd), which may be useful or hindering depending on the circumstances. On the other hand an ugly characters gets a +4 bonus on all his/her Intimidate checks, which supersedes the penalty noted earlier. Additionally, in a world rife with evil and superstition, being ugly can sometimes be used to good ends; the character will get a +4 bonus to his Bluff and Disguise checks when masquerading as an orc, demon, vile necromancer, etc., which also supersedes the penalty noted earlier. Lastly, since the character has endured the scorn and revulsion of others for some time, he has hardened his resolve, which earns him a +1 bonus on Charisma saving throws. This bonus is doubled against fear effects.- A character cannot acquire this feat if he possesses the Beautiful feat, and he cannot select the Ugly feat except at 1st level. Ugly may only be taken later if justified by an appropriate event (as with the character being disfigured by some accident, disease, etc.). This feat's effects become more exaggerated when the character is suffering age penalties for old or venerable age, or when the character appears old or venerable. In that case, the bonuses from this feat improve by 1 point, and the penalties from this feat worsen by 1 point.</blockquote>

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