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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Mustrum_Ridcully" data-source="post: 4629567" data-attributes="member: 710">That is one of the many terrible analogies or exaggerations I hate. Yes, using Red Sox overcoming their curse is ridicilous, considering the Big Bang to be the point where the universe exploded (rapidly expanded) is not. It just might not be how it was defined. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />One might need to be precise, but the problem is we are talking about new discoveries that might require us to redefine certain terms - or at least define them more specifically. Here's a bit from Wikipedia related "cylcical" model of the world using the idea of branes: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inflation_(cosmology" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inflation_(cosmology</a>)<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyclic_Universe_Theory" target="_blank">Cyclic model - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia</a>The cyclic universe indicates there is something before the Big Bang. And the theory involved mixing the inflaton and the "curvaton" fields certainly is not the same as the current "Big Bang" theory. (Well, assuming Wikipedia is up to date on the currently accepted model of the Big Bang. To be up to date and precise, I'd have to be in the "scene" and read journals, not the ocassional book, magizine entry or wikipedia)But then, I find this: So I guess for the inflaton/curvaton model, the Big Bang is still the start and they were imprecise. The Brane theory (or is it merely an idea, like the holographic universe, nothing with enough foundation to be called a theory?) would indicate that the the 4 dimensions of spacetime exist independently from our universe, but we are limited by the brane of our universe in our movement. We can't go "before" the big bang because we'd have to leave our brane, which we can't (at least not to our knowledge). But there still is a "before" since the dimension goes "further".</blockquote>

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