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<blockquote data-quote="Sincubus" data-source="post: 6087039" data-attributes="member: 6705992"><p>Sorry for replying so late to this thread or reviving it, but I really love this kind of posts.</p><p>-</p><p>-</p><p>I would like the MONSTER manual to be somewhat different than earlier times.</p><p>-</p><p>I would not like .... in the monster manual.</p><p>- Real life animals are for their own animal compagnion book in my opinion, this leaves more space for the real monsters.</p><p>- Humans and other non-evil playable races have no use in a monster manual, they are better off in their own manual.</p><p>- Templates can be done in their own book, not in a monster manual.</p><p>- Good creatures (like angels, archons and other such creatures) aren't really monsters to begin with they are good and should be in their own book (book of allies)</p><p>- NO DRAGONSPAWN, really the worst and cheapest creatures ever.</p><p>- My most hated other creatures are Hill Giants, Hobgoblins and Hippogriffs so they aren't in my list, also not a big fan of Half Orcs and other half stuff.</p><p>-</p><p>-</p><p>I really hope to see the following creatures from D&D games Return </p><p>- Aboleth (can't believe nobody mentioned them)</p><p>- Basilisk </p><p>- Bat (Fire Bat + Sinister)</p><p>- Bear (Cave Bear = Same as Dire Bear + Owlbear)</p><p>- Beetle (Magical Bombardier Beetle + Deathwatch Beetle + Scarab Swarm)</p><p>- Dinosaurs: </p><p>(Deinonychus for small predator)</p><p>(Tyrannosaurus for big predator, or maybe a Carnotaurus)</p><p>(Elasmosaurus or Tylosaurus for big sea predator)</p><p>(Pachycephalosaurus for big two legged agressive herbivore, I like them better than Triceratops)</p><p>(Ankylosaurus for tank)</p><p>(Pteranodon for flying reptile)</p><p>- Beholder (+ Gauth)</p><p>- Boar (Razorback + New magical boar)</p><p>- Bulette</p><p>- Carrion Crawler (Maybe a Carrion Moth upgrade)</p><p>- Chimera</p><p>- Chokers (Stronger and Weaker version)</p><p>- Chuul</p><p>- Crocodile (Aztek Crocodile Monster + Deinosuchus)</p><p>- Cyclops (multiple versions)</p><p>- Dark Creeper + Dark Stalker</p><p>- Death Knight</p><p>- Demon (Balor, Glabrezu, Hezrou, Vrock, Marilith, Babau, Succubus, Bebilith, Yochlol, Shadow Demon)</p><p>- Devil (Hamatula, Osyluth, Imp, Barbazu, Gelugon, Pit Fiend, Cornugon, Erinyes, Kyton, Lemure)</p><p>- Destrachan</p><p>- Devourer</p><p>- Mohrg (not being a devourer)</p><p>- Displacer Beast</p><p>- Doppelganger</p><p>- Dragons (I really hate Blue and Green dragons, so I rather see: Red Dragon, White Dragon, Black Dragon, Purple Dragon, Brown Dragon)</p><p>- Drider</p><p>- Drow</p><p>- Dryad (evil version)</p><p>- Genie (Djinn, Efreet, Dao & Marid)</p><p>- Elemental (Fire, Water, Earth and Air)</p><p>- Ettercap (+ Vermin Lord)</p><p>- Ettin</p><p>- Gargoyle (+ Margoyle & Water Gargoyle)</p><p>- Ghost (Spectre, Poltergeist, Wraith & Banshee)</p><p>- Ghoul (+ Ghast & Lacedon)</p><p>- Giant (Fire Giant, Frost Giant, Stone Giant, Evil Storm Giant and maybe Death Giant)</p><p>- Gibbering Mouther</p><p>- Githyanki (I don't care for the Githzerai)</p><p>- Gnoll (use bones as tools and weapons to make them different from other feral races)</p><p>- Goblin (Bugbear, Barghest & Normal Goblins, maybe also Blue or Norker)</p><p>- Golem (Stone, Iron, Bone & Flesh, I think Bone is a much better golem choice than Clay Golem, maybe some Adamantine Golem and Coral Golem Too)</p><p>- Gorgon</p><p>- Hag (Sea Hag, Night Hag & Annis Hag)</p><p>- Harpy (+ Siren)</p><p>- Hook Horror</p><p>- Hounds (Shadow Mastiff, Hell Hound & Yeth Hound)</p><p>- Hydra (some versions)</p><p>- Lizardfolk (Kobold, Lizardman, Troglodyte, Drakkoth)</p><p>- Kuo Toa (Some versions like the Leviathan)</p><p>- Lamia (4th edition version)</p><p>- Lycanthrope (Wererat, Werewolf, Wereboar)</p><p>- Manticore</p><p>- Medusa (+ Male)</p><p>- Mind Flayer (+ Elder Brain)</p><p>- Minotaur (feral creatures, not sissy WOW race based)</p><p>- Mummy (Humanoid Mummy, Skirr and Crawling Apocalypse)</p><p>- Naga (Dark Naga & Spirit Naga)</p><p>- Nightmare</p><p>- Nightshade (Nightcrawler, Nightwing, Nightwalker)</p><p>- Ogre (+ Ogre Magi)</p><p>- Ooze (Gelatinous Cube, Bloodrot, Slithering Tracker, Green Slime & Black Pudding)</p><p>- Orc</p><p>- Otyugh</p><p>- Purple Worm</p><p>- Quickling (just as powerful as in 4th edition)</p><p>- Rakshasa (+ Noble)</p><p>- Rat (Rat King + Dire Rat)</p><p>- Roc (Roc + Phoenix + Thunderbird)</p><p>- Roper</p><p>- Sahuagin</p><p>- Salamander (+ Noble)</p><p>- Satyr</p><p>- Scorpion (Sand Walker + Hellstinger)</p><p>- Shambling Mound (+ Tendriculos)</p><p>- Skeleton (some versions, like the Boneyard and Gashadokuro)</p><p>- Snake (Giant Anaconda + Amphisbaena)</p><p>- Sphinx (not the subtypes, just one female sphinx)</p><p>- Spider (Phase Spider + Tomb Spider + Trapdoor Spider or Web Casting Spider)</p><p>- Stirge</p><p>- Treant (Dark versions like Quickwood and Hangman Treant)</p><p>- Troll (multiple versions like Frost Troll and Scrag)</p><p>- Umber Hulk</p><p>- Unicorn (Dark versions like Karkadann and Phooka)</p><p>- Vampire (Vetala + Nosferatu)</p><p>- Wight (Boneclaw abilities + insane)</p><p>- Wolf (Worg + Winter Wolf)</p><p>- Wyvern</p><p>- Yuan Ti (abomination and others)</p><p>- Zombies (some types)</p><p>- Ankheg</p><p>- Ant (Antlion + Fire Ant, I know antlions are different animals but they suit in with ants pretty well)</p><p>- Behir</p><p>- Bullywug</p><p>- Centaur (evil versions like Armanite)</p><p>- Centipede (Megapede + Some Magical Centipede)</p><p>- Cockatrice</p><p>- Couatl (evil versions)</p><p>- Duergar</p><p>- Gray Render (add in the behavior of the Rampager)</p><p>- Myconid (some variants + some other fungoids like Ascomoid, Violet Fungus, Phycomid and Phantom Fungus)</p><p>- Remorhaz</p><p>- Rust Monster</p><p>- Shark (Megalodon + Another magical Shark)</p><p>- Spriggan (redcap, one variant should be able to grow in size)</p><p>- Steel Predator (with abilities from the Metal Master)</p><p>- Tiger (Kirre + Smilodon)</p><p>- Will o Wisp</p><p>- Ape (Su Monster + Girallon)</p><p>- Cloaker</p><p>- Derro (with behavior and blindness of the Grimlock)</p><p>- Toad or and Frog (Poisonarrow Frog + Spawn Toad)</p><p>- Gremlin</p><p>- Howler (same as the 4th edition howler + features from Krenshar)</p><p>- Intellect Devourer (+ Brain Collector)</p><p>- Kraken</p><p>- Meazel (or Marrash, something with diseases)</p><p>- Mimic (Trap Mimic, Item Mimic and House Mimic)</p><p>- Rot Grubs</p><p>- Scarecrow</p><p>- Thri Kreen</p><p>-</p><p>-</p><p>Some others from before 4th edition D&D:</p><p>- Aurumvorax</p><p>- Deepspawn</p><p>- Peryton</p><p>- Crimson Death</p><p>- Morkoth</p><p>- Invisible Stalker</p><p>- Wasps (Spider Eaters + Hellwasp Swarm)</p><p>- Mantis (some versions)</p><p>- Snail/Slug (Metalmaster + Flail Snail)</p><p>- Yellow Musk Creeper</p><p>- Shocker Lizards</p><p>- Crysmal</p><p>- Vargouille </p><p>- Stinger (scorpionman)</p><p>- Dragon Turtle</p><p>- Kelpie</p><p>- Vegepygmy</p><p>- Crab (Carcinos + some other magical crab)</p><p></p><p>That would make a good monster manual for me personally, these are all deserving to be called MONSTER, unlike horses, angels and humans.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Sincubus, post: 6087039, member: 6705992"] Sorry for replying so late to this thread or reviving it, but I really love this kind of posts. - - I would like the MONSTER manual to be somewhat different than earlier times. - I would not like .... in the monster manual. - Real life animals are for their own animal compagnion book in my opinion, this leaves more space for the real monsters. - Humans and other non-evil playable races have no use in a monster manual, they are better off in their own manual. - Templates can be done in their own book, not in a monster manual. - Good creatures (like angels, archons and other such creatures) aren't really monsters to begin with they are good and should be in their own book (book of allies) - NO DRAGONSPAWN, really the worst and cheapest creatures ever. - My most hated other creatures are Hill Giants, Hobgoblins and Hippogriffs so they aren't in my list, also not a big fan of Half Orcs and other half stuff. - - I really hope to see the following creatures from D&D games Return - Aboleth (can't believe nobody mentioned them) - Basilisk - Bat (Fire Bat + Sinister) - Bear (Cave Bear = Same as Dire Bear + Owlbear) - Beetle (Magical Bombardier Beetle + Deathwatch Beetle + Scarab Swarm) - Dinosaurs: (Deinonychus for small predator) (Tyrannosaurus for big predator, or maybe a Carnotaurus) (Elasmosaurus or Tylosaurus for big sea predator) (Pachycephalosaurus for big two legged agressive herbivore, I like them better than Triceratops) (Ankylosaurus for tank) (Pteranodon for flying reptile) - Beholder (+ Gauth) - Boar (Razorback + New magical boar) - Bulette - Carrion Crawler (Maybe a Carrion Moth upgrade) - Chimera - Chokers (Stronger and Weaker version) - Chuul - Crocodile (Aztek Crocodile Monster + Deinosuchus) - Cyclops (multiple versions) - Dark Creeper + Dark Stalker - Death Knight - Demon (Balor, Glabrezu, Hezrou, Vrock, Marilith, Babau, Succubus, Bebilith, Yochlol, Shadow Demon) - Devil (Hamatula, Osyluth, Imp, Barbazu, Gelugon, Pit Fiend, Cornugon, Erinyes, Kyton, Lemure) - Destrachan - Devourer - Mohrg (not being a devourer) - Displacer Beast - Doppelganger - Dragons (I really hate Blue and Green dragons, so I rather see: Red Dragon, White Dragon, Black Dragon, Purple Dragon, Brown Dragon) - Drider - Drow - Dryad (evil version) - Genie (Djinn, Efreet, Dao & Marid) - Elemental (Fire, Water, Earth and Air) - Ettercap (+ Vermin Lord) - Ettin - Gargoyle (+ Margoyle & Water Gargoyle) - Ghost (Spectre, Poltergeist, Wraith & Banshee) - Ghoul (+ Ghast & Lacedon) - Giant (Fire Giant, Frost Giant, Stone Giant, Evil Storm Giant and maybe Death Giant) - Gibbering Mouther - Githyanki (I don't care for the Githzerai) - Gnoll (use bones as tools and weapons to make them different from other feral races) - Goblin (Bugbear, Barghest & Normal Goblins, maybe also Blue or Norker) - Golem (Stone, Iron, Bone & Flesh, I think Bone is a much better golem choice than Clay Golem, maybe some Adamantine Golem and Coral Golem Too) - Gorgon - Hag (Sea Hag, Night Hag & Annis Hag) - Harpy (+ Siren) - Hook Horror - Hounds (Shadow Mastiff, Hell Hound & Yeth Hound) - Hydra (some versions) - Lizardfolk (Kobold, Lizardman, Troglodyte, Drakkoth) - Kuo Toa (Some versions like the Leviathan) - Lamia (4th edition version) - Lycanthrope (Wererat, Werewolf, Wereboar) - Manticore - Medusa (+ Male) - Mind Flayer (+ Elder Brain) - Minotaur (feral creatures, not sissy WOW race based) - Mummy (Humanoid Mummy, Skirr and Crawling Apocalypse) - Naga (Dark Naga & Spirit Naga) - Nightmare - Nightshade (Nightcrawler, Nightwing, Nightwalker) - Ogre (+ Ogre Magi) - Ooze (Gelatinous Cube, Bloodrot, Slithering Tracker, Green Slime & Black Pudding) - Orc - Otyugh - Purple Worm - Quickling (just as powerful as in 4th edition) - Rakshasa (+ Noble) - Rat (Rat King + Dire Rat) - Roc (Roc + Phoenix + Thunderbird) - Roper - Sahuagin - Salamander (+ Noble) - Satyr - Scorpion (Sand Walker + Hellstinger) - Shambling Mound (+ Tendriculos) - Skeleton (some versions, like the Boneyard and Gashadokuro) - Snake (Giant Anaconda + Amphisbaena) - Sphinx (not the subtypes, just one female sphinx) - Spider (Phase Spider + Tomb Spider + Trapdoor Spider or Web Casting Spider) - Stirge - Treant (Dark versions like Quickwood and Hangman Treant) - Troll (multiple versions like Frost Troll and Scrag) - Umber Hulk - Unicorn (Dark versions like Karkadann and Phooka) - Vampire (Vetala + Nosferatu) - Wight (Boneclaw abilities + insane) - Wolf (Worg + Winter Wolf) - Wyvern - Yuan Ti (abomination and others) - Zombies (some types) - Ankheg - Ant (Antlion + Fire Ant, I know antlions are different animals but they suit in with ants pretty well) - Behir - Bullywug - Centaur (evil versions like Armanite) - Centipede (Megapede + Some Magical Centipede) - Cockatrice - Couatl (evil versions) - Duergar - Gray Render (add in the behavior of the Rampager) - Myconid (some variants + some other fungoids like Ascomoid, Violet Fungus, Phycomid and Phantom Fungus) - Remorhaz - Rust Monster - Shark (Megalodon + Another magical Shark) - Spriggan (redcap, one variant should be able to grow in size) - Steel Predator (with abilities from the Metal Master) - Tiger (Kirre + Smilodon) - Will o Wisp - Ape (Su Monster + Girallon) - Cloaker - Derro (with behavior and blindness of the Grimlock) - Toad or and Frog (Poisonarrow Frog + Spawn Toad) - Gremlin - Howler (same as the 4th edition howler + features from Krenshar) - Intellect Devourer (+ Brain Collector) - Kraken - Meazel (or Marrash, something with diseases) - Mimic (Trap Mimic, Item Mimic and House Mimic) - Rot Grubs - Scarecrow - Thri Kreen - - Some others from before 4th edition D&D: - Aurumvorax - Deepspawn - Peryton - Crimson Death - Morkoth - Invisible Stalker - Wasps (Spider Eaters + Hellwasp Swarm) - Mantis (some versions) - Snail/Slug (Metalmaster + Flail Snail) - Yellow Musk Creeper - Shocker Lizards - Crysmal - Vargouille - Stinger (scorpionman) - Dragon Turtle - Kelpie - Vegepygmy - Crab (Carcinos + some other magical crab) That would make a good monster manual for me personally, these are all deserving to be called MONSTER, unlike horses, angels and humans. 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