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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Folly" data-source="post: 4186018" data-attributes="member: 62919">I have always found Beguiler to be a power class but limited by encounter type. I do not see this as a problem since Rogues, and Rangers are very similar. Yes most of their effects are SoD or SoS but when you start tweaking their DC it can get ugly and fast.Lets go for level 10-Gray Elf with a starting int of 20+2 from bumps for a 22 base int+4 item for a 26 int18 base DC Spell focus and Greater Spell focus +220 base DCI believe their surprise ability gives them an additional +2 at this level, and with greater invis you should always be able to use it.So you end up with 22+Spell Level for your spells.This means that for your highest level spells are 26 or 27. (or 24/25 for your non-focus spells)</blockquote>