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<blockquote data-quote="Dragonwriter" data-source="post: 4187046" data-attributes="member: 54988">The beguiler is a very situational class. One of the players in a game I just started (1st-level) had a great deal of fun messing with their first little adventure, the stereotypical orc hunt. Fighting such creatures that are susceptible to Will saves (&quot;sleep&quot; and even &quot;daze&quot; were quite effective). However, eventually my campaign will deal with lots of undead... In that case, the beguiler player will have to think a bit more outside the box. Against opponents that are immune to things like charms, the beguiler seems much less useful. Yes, they have less useful spells, but many are still decent... The &quot;image&quot; family spells are still usable, as pointed out by roguerouge. I made a point of going through the spell list and checking which ones would affect undead and which wouldn't. At low levels, yes the beguiler functions much better against intelligent enemies, but it is still usable against mindless ones.I wouldn't say the class is over- or under-powered, just that, like many others, the beguiler's usefulness depends on what you're fighting.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Dragonwriter, post: 4187046, member: 54988"] The beguiler is a very situational class. One of the players in a game I just started (1st-level) had a great deal of fun messing with their first little adventure, the stereotypical orc hunt. Fighting such creatures that are susceptible to Will saves ("sleep" and even "daze" were quite effective). However, eventually my campaign will deal with lots of undead... In that case, the beguiler player will have to think a bit more outside the box. Against opponents that are immune to things like charms, the beguiler seems much less useful. Yes, they have less useful spells, but many are still decent... The "image" family spells are still usable, as pointed out by roguerouge. I made a point of going through the spell list and checking which ones would affect undead and which wouldn't. At low levels, yes the beguiler functions much better against intelligent enemies, but it is still usable against mindless ones. I wouldn't say the class is over- or under-powered, just that, like many others, the beguiler's usefulness depends on what you're fighting. [/QUOTE]

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