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<blockquote data-quote="Thanee" data-source="post: 2854621" data-attributes="member: 478"><p>Technically Warmages (and similar casters) cannot learn spells, since there are no rules about how they would do that (other than class abilities like Advanced Learning, which specifies how it is done, and which just adds spells to their class list, they don't technically learn those spells, they simply know them). <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></p><p></p><p>The text you quoted for your argument doesn't work, IMHO, since Warmages don't really have a seperate spells known list, hence the 'essential' there. It's just a comparison with regular spontaneous casters (bards, sorcerers, etc), and an explanation of the sentence that comes before that one.</p><p></p><p>Taken out of context and turned upside down, it might look like what you said above, but it's not the rule you read in there... which would be, that their spells known list becomes their class spell list, and that effects that alter their spells known list also alter their class spell list. That's not the case, it's the other way around, they know all spells on their class spell list.</p><p></p><p>They only have the class spell list and know all spells from it. There is no need for anything else (since essentially, they are the same, anyways, therefore they don't need one). It's one and the same thing.</p><p></p><p>Only effects, that change the class spell list (like Advanced Learning) allow Warmages to expand their spell repertoire.</p><p></p><p>Bye</p><p>Thanee</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Thanee, post: 2854621, member: 478"] Technically Warmages (and similar casters) cannot learn spells, since there are no rules about how they would do that (other than class abilities like Advanced Learning, which specifies how it is done, and which just adds spells to their class list, they don't technically learn those spells, they simply know them). ;) The text you quoted for your argument doesn't work, IMHO, since Warmages don't really have a seperate spells known list, hence the 'essential' there. It's just a comparison with regular spontaneous casters (bards, sorcerers, etc), and an explanation of the sentence that comes before that one. Taken out of context and turned upside down, it might look like what you said above, but it's not the rule you read in there... which would be, that their spells known list becomes their class spell list, and that effects that alter their spells known list also alter their class spell list. That's not the case, it's the other way around, they know all spells on their class spell list. They only have the class spell list and know all spells from it. There is no need for anything else (since essentially, they are the same, anyways, therefore they don't need one). It's one and the same thing. Only effects, that change the class spell list (like Advanced Learning) allow Warmages to expand their spell repertoire. Bye Thanee [/QUOTE]
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