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Message: <blockquote data-quote="satori01" data-source="post: 2856665" data-attributes="member: 7859">For the most part I agree with you Thanee, with a lot of caveats.  Being able to "learn" spells is so poorly and contradictory defined as to be an almost meaningless term.Looking at the Base Classes that "learn" spells as described under  the class abillity section we have:Wizard, Bard, Sorcerer, Archivist, Hexblade, Shugenja, Wu Jen, and Spellthief.  Presumbly the Favored Soul should be on that list, but under its spell description it makes no mention of learning spells beyond replacing old known spells with new spells every X level like a Sorcerer.This is the issue I have in general with the feat and spell section, a lack of percision in the writting.Learn can be used in a very technical percise sense,  and it can be used as flavor text.  Sorcerers like Wizards, "learn" their spells, despite the fact the flavor of the Sorcerer is anything but scholarly.  Meanwhile back at the war college, where Warmages are described as "learning" their spells they are in fact just Knowing every spell on their spell list.  The Advance Learning class feature is more apply described in game terms as Expanded Spell list.To make matter worse, WOTC did a half measure when designing the Warmage.  Realistically the entire concept of Spells Known, should be replaced with Only Knows and can Cast all spell on the class list.  This is the wording for the Dread Necromancer.  As we all know the Warmage and Beguiler have Spells known = Spell list clause.Thus when Extra Spell talks about "learning" a spell we have to ask is this technical learning or descriptive learning?Even if Extra Spell is technical learning we are still left with the problem of the Fiend Blood PrC and the Fiendish Learning ability, where it only adds to your Spells Known.  "Essentially" Warmages and Beguilers still do have Spells Known, and thus would add any spell "learned" to their Spell List.  Of course the poor little Sorcerer, could then "learn" say Speak with Dead, but never cast it.We also do not know if "learning" a spell in context of the Extra Spell Feat  means it is added to one's class spell list.Indeed, beyond the line in Class Abillities about Bards and Sorcerers be able to "learn" spells, in the Magic section of the PHB it only refers to Bards and Sorcerers as adding to their Spells Known with level increases, never to "learning" new spells. This is a similiar mechanism that Warmages, Dread Necromancers, and Beguilers have, Warmages et all just add a lot more spells to their known spell list.Suddenly through all of the morass of the rules, I wonder if you can even talk of "learning" spells as a technical term, especially as the Favored Soul, being a divine sorcerer should then have the concept in its Spell section of Class Abilities, which it doesnt."learning" spells is similiar to the Right of Privacy in the American Legal system, more inference than spelled out.</blockquote>

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