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<blockquote data-quote="Felon" data-source="post: 1420899" data-attributes="member: 8158">Been reading through the FR Underdark book recently, and I keep coming across numerous references to beholders and mind flayers lording over their slaves, having used their special abilities to create utterly loyal thralls that would glady die for their masters. I've wondered before about how this is supposed to work. Has has anyone else? The charm effects that these monsters use don't actually subjugate their targets, after all. As the DMG states, charming someone makes them your friend, not your flunky. Considering that both beholders and illithids tend to loathe all other creatures, it's hard to imagine them making politie requests and treating their subjects like peers. I'd expect them to be quite openly abusive, and while I know that won't necessarily break the charm, the charm effect does mean that the subject will be comfortable telling his &quot;dear friend&quot; to take it easy and not to be such a bossy jerk all the time (which, of course, gets the thrall killded in short order). So, how does this master/slave dynamic actually work out the way you see it?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Felon, post: 1420899, member: 8158"] Been reading through the FR [I]Underdark[/I] book recently, and I keep coming across numerous references to beholders and mind flayers lording over their slaves, having used their special abilities to create utterly loyal thralls that would glady die for their masters. I've wondered before about how this is supposed to work. Has has anyone else? The [I]charm[/I] effects that these monsters use don't actually subjugate their targets, after all. As the DMG states, charming someone makes them your friend, not your flunky. Considering that both beholders and illithids tend to loathe all other creatures, it's hard to imagine them making politie requests and treating their subjects like peers. I'd expect them to be quite openly abusive, and while I know that won't necessarily break the charm, the charm effect does mean that the subject will be comfortable telling his "dear friend" to take it easy and not to be such a bossy jerk all the time (which, of course, gets the thrall killded in short order). So, how does this master/slave dynamic actually work out the way you see it? [/QUOTE]

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