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Message: <blockquote data-quote="jdpacheco" data-source="post: 4382331" data-attributes="member: 61319">Both factors have to be taken into consideration.  "How useful is this item in general?" and "How useful is this to the intended recipient?"Paladins aren't the only ones who can use the Avenger (and it *is* offered at a discount...).First, it can also be used, fully effectively, by Clerics.  It just a weapon that counts as a holy symbol, too, so Clerics will likely find some use for it.Second, it's still weapon, and a +5 one at that.  Keep in mind part of what that means: +5d6 on a critical hit.  Would another +5 weapon perhaps be better?  Maybe.  But toss in the fact that you get to spend a healing surge on a crit as well, and the deal is sweetened.Third, *any* class that has radiant damage powers (and uses the Weapon keyword for those powers) can use the Property of the weapon.Fourth, there isn't going to be anyone who *can't* use the Daily power, and it's a pretty good power.  +5 to all defenses for a full round for the cost of a minor action is hard to complain about, especially when it's you and pretty much all your allies.Finally:  It's darn good weapon.  Probably almost valid as a 25 on it's own... (Level 21 for being +5, +1 level for the extra crit ability, +1 for the daily means we're talking at least Level 23).  Now add in the fact that it's also a +5 holy symbol.  That's one less purchase.  +5 holy symbol + +5 Magic weapon doesn't add up to the cost, but the extra abilities certainly do.  Should it be level 25?  Hard to say.  But looking around at the other level 25s, it's about on par, and it could almost be a level 26+ item in the eyes of a Pally (or maybe Cleric).  It's one of those "this is the *obvious* choice for a Paladin, even compared to a Flaming weapon", but it's not *as* useful to other classes, so it comes down a little.Pact blades serve much the same purpose, only much more specifically to Warlocks, and have fewer extras, and the +5 Pact Blade comes out two levels short of the +5 Holy Avenger...</blockquote>

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