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Ben Riggs: 'The Golden Age of TTRPGs is Dead'
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<blockquote data-quote="SableWyvern" data-source="post: 9234966" data-attributes="member: 1008"><p>From what I've been able to gather, it seems it's [EDIT: "it" being <em>Slaying the Dragon</em>] more of an opinion piece than deep scholarship, but most opinions seem to vary from "It's ok" to "It's excellent." He's done the work, and clearly is capable of writing something coherent and at least reasonably interesting -- which just makes the this "Death of the Golden Age" baseless, barely coherent melodrama all the more bizarre.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Here he is literally saying that that games other than D&D being successful is bad for the <em>hobby </em>and will result in decline. If you want something that isn't D&D, and are willing to pay for it, you are part of the problem -- you are killing the Golden Age.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>This sounds a lot like d20 zealots who used to claim that "network externalities" mean that we will all be better off when D&D is the only game in town.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Sales and growth of what? At no point does he cite any actually basis for assertions like this.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>First, he's making the completely unsupported claim that no one will ever be able to be as successful as MCDM ... for reasons? There's also an assumption in all this that money being spread around to multiple creative endeavours hurts everyone. I can only assume he actually feels it hurts him personally, because he only cares about D&D.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Ok, let's assume Colville will dedicate less time to D&D. Why does that mean the industry as a whole is in decline? This is part of a constant thread where Riggs assumes the D&D is the only thing that matters, and that anything other than D&D getting support or attention is bad.</p><p></p><p></p><p>People supporting Matt Colville instead of WotC is bad for the hobby!</p><p></p><p></p><p>The developments appear to be, "the dominance of D&D". It's quite clear that he's not really talking about the death of a golden age for RPGs, he's talking about the death of D&D as a dominant force.</p><p></p><p>And his conclusion is that because D&D is the TTRPG industry, and D&D is the TTRPG hobby, that if D&D does lose it's dominance, we will have terrible outcomes such as:</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yes, that's right. If D&D doesn't dominate everything, all RPGs become less interesting and creative. This is incoherent drivel.</p><p></p><p>In fact, the roaring success of the competitors mean that the hobby</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Like really? According to Riggs logic, great success for competing products is a sign we should expect less diversity in future.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yes, I feel humbled and deeply appreciative that I was able to live through a period in time where WotC made money hand over fist because 5e D&D was the juggernaut of RPGs. I only wish I'd given them more of my money when I had the chance.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="SableWyvern, post: 9234966, member: 1008"] From what I've been able to gather, it seems it's [EDIT: "it" being [I]Slaying the Dragon[/I]] more of an opinion piece than deep scholarship, but most opinions seem to vary from "It's ok" to "It's excellent." He's done the work, and clearly is capable of writing something coherent and at least reasonably interesting -- which just makes the this "Death of the Golden Age" baseless, barely coherent melodrama all the more bizarre. Here he is literally saying that that games other than D&D being successful is bad for the [I]hobby [/I]and will result in decline. If you want something that isn't D&D, and are willing to pay for it, you are part of the problem -- you are killing the Golden Age. This sounds a lot like d20 zealots who used to claim that "network externalities" mean that we will all be better off when D&D is the only game in town. Sales and growth of what? At no point does he cite any actually basis for assertions like this. First, he's making the completely unsupported claim that no one will ever be able to be as successful as MCDM ... for reasons? There's also an assumption in all this that money being spread around to multiple creative endeavours hurts everyone. I can only assume he actually feels it hurts him personally, because he only cares about D&D. Ok, let's assume Colville will dedicate less time to D&D. Why does that mean the industry as a whole is in decline? This is part of a constant thread where Riggs assumes the D&D is the only thing that matters, and that anything other than D&D getting support or attention is bad. People supporting Matt Colville instead of WotC is bad for the hobby! The developments appear to be, "the dominance of D&D". It's quite clear that he's not really talking about the death of a golden age for RPGs, he's talking about the death of D&D as a dominant force. And his conclusion is that because D&D is the TTRPG industry, and D&D is the TTRPG hobby, that if D&D does lose it's dominance, we will have terrible outcomes such as: Yes, that's right. If D&D doesn't dominate everything, all RPGs become less interesting and creative. This is incoherent drivel. In fact, the roaring success of the competitors mean that the hobby Like really? According to Riggs logic, great success for competing products is a sign we should expect less diversity in future. Yes, I feel humbled and deeply appreciative that I was able to live through a period in time where WotC made money hand over fist because 5e D&D was the juggernaut of RPGs. I only wish I'd given them more of my money when I had the chance. [/QUOTE]
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