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Message: <blockquote data-quote="mamba" data-source="post: 9367022" data-attributes="member: 7034611">that much of it was taken from 4e but disguised.What I assume are 4e fans keep saying so, only to be shot down by people who are not 4e fans (not sure if neutral or haters) that say not much of anything came from 4e and what the fans claim was from 4e but disguised also existed in 2e or 3e, so was not taken from 4e in the first place.Even if the 4e fans are right, WotC seems to have made enough changes back towards earlier editions to overcome the problems 4e had with its design to not get the same reaction and instead be the most popular edition rather than the most divisive one</blockquote>