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<blockquote data-quote="GrimCo" data-source="post: 9367807" data-attributes="member: 7044462">As I said, yes, there are more rpg's than ever, cause the barrier to entry has been lowered enough. It's easier than ever to self publish and self market because of internet. What i'm arguing is that today, D&amp;D dwarfs all others by huge margin, while back in the late 80's, 90's and even early 00', gap in popularity between D&amp;D and competitors was way smaller, with WW even eclipsing D&amp;D at the moments, and CoC running close behind them. Today, we have D&amp;D, D&amp;D with different flavour ( PF2 is just crunchy variant that very much feels like updated 4e, PF1 was just 3.75, LV UP and ToV are just D&amp;D 5e with some work done). I fully admit, i'm probably not well informed about numbers and i would like to see some good hard statistics on player distribution across systems, total sales number for systems etc, but i doubt that those number are available online. I'm going by imperfect method of observation. I know both owners of LFGS in my town, owner of game caffe, organizers of biggest national convention and people in couple of non profit associations that promote ttrpgs, mini wargames and boardgames. They all say same thing. D&amp;D 5e is king when it comes to ttrpgs. Most of the new people aren't rpg players. They are D&amp;D players. 25 years ago, at con (this con is held annually since 1983), we had at least 4-5 different systems going. Now, 5e and PF1/2, cause that's what people want to play. As far is industry concerned, i have no idea. Honestly, i just don't care enough to go over financial reports of companies, if they are available (publicly traded companies), to see how good or bad they do. I'm going more from hobby side, as in, how easy is to find people to play in person games other than D&amp;D.Usual caveat, this is just personal opinion based on observation and trends in local (one country) area.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="GrimCo, post: 9367807, member: 7044462"] As I said, yes, there are more rpg's than ever, cause the barrier to entry has been lowered enough. It's easier than ever to self publish and self market because of internet. What i'm arguing is that today, D&D dwarfs all others by huge margin, while back in the late 80's, 90's and even early 00', gap in popularity between D&D and competitors was way smaller, with WW even eclipsing D&D at the moments, and CoC running close behind them. Today, we have D&D, D&D with different flavour ( PF2 is just crunchy variant that very much feels like updated 4e, PF1 was just 3.75, LV UP and ToV are just D&D 5e with some work done). I fully admit, i'm probably not well informed about numbers and i would like to see some good hard statistics on player distribution across systems, total sales number for systems etc, but i doubt that those number are available online. I'm going by imperfect method of observation. I know both owners of LFGS in my town, owner of game caffe, organizers of biggest national convention and people in couple of non profit associations that promote ttrpgs, mini wargames and boardgames. They all say same thing. D&D 5e is king when it comes to ttrpgs. Most of the new people aren't rpg players. They are D&D players. 25 years ago, at con (this con is held annually since 1983), we had at least 4-5 different systems going. Now, 5e and PF1/2, cause that's what people want to play. As far is industry concerned, i have no idea. Honestly, i just don't care enough to go over financial reports of companies, if they are available (publicly traded companies), to see how good or bad they do. I'm going more from hobby side, as in, how easy is to find people to play in person games other than D&D. Usual caveat, this is just personal opinion based on observation and trends in local (one country) area. [/QUOTE]

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