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Ben Riggs' "What the Heck Happened with 4th Edition?" seminar at Gen Con 2023
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<blockquote data-quote="Snarf Zagyg" data-source="post: 9096844" data-attributes="member: 7023840"><p>It's a comparative resource issue and an expectations issue (I've done a deep dive on this in the past).</p><p></p><p>In other words, Hasbro spent significant resources on the development of 4e with the expectation that it would be a massive success, and also lead to a lot of sweet, sweet recurring revenue.</p><p></p><p>Instead, they ended up not meeting their expectations (not even close), and causing a new competition (PF) to gain significant market share.</p><p></p><p>This isn't a design fault of 4e- there were a number of reasons for this, including but not limited to a poor launch in terms of marketing the product, unrealistic expectations by Hasbro, and launching the product when the great recession was starting.</p><p></p><p>But there's a reason that 4e was dead internally by the time that Essentials launched, and that 5e was shepherded by the equivalent of a skeleton crew.</p><p></p><p>(I would further add that there might be a lesson in that 4e suffered from corporate meddling and unfair corporate expectations, while 5e was allowed to proceed under the radar ... and that might also be relevant to what is currently going on .... but we will see.)</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Snarf Zagyg, post: 9096844, member: 7023840"] It's a comparative resource issue and an expectations issue (I've done a deep dive on this in the past). In other words, Hasbro spent significant resources on the development of 4e with the expectation that it would be a massive success, and also lead to a lot of sweet, sweet recurring revenue. Instead, they ended up not meeting their expectations (not even close), and causing a new competition (PF) to gain significant market share. This isn't a design fault of 4e- there were a number of reasons for this, including but not limited to a poor launch in terms of marketing the product, unrealistic expectations by Hasbro, and launching the product when the great recession was starting. But there's a reason that 4e was dead internally by the time that Essentials launched, and that 5e was shepherded by the equivalent of a skeleton crew. (I would further add that there might be a lesson in that 4e suffered from corporate meddling and unfair corporate expectations, while 5e was allowed to proceed under the radar ... and that might also be relevant to what is currently going on .... but we will see.) [/QUOTE]
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