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<blockquote data-quote="pemerton" data-source="post: 9097151" data-attributes="member: 42582"><p>There's no <em>trip</em> ability as such in 4e that I recall. There are various powers that knock creatures prone, but at low levels I don't think it's common to be able to knock prone at will.</p><p></p><p>I just had a look at some 5e statblocks: it seems that gelatinous cubes are immune to the prone condition, but snakes are not. I don't see that someone deciding that a 4e cube is immune to prone, should that be their preference, is going to break the game in a way that the 5e rule doesn't.</p><p></p><p>The Deathlock Wight's Horrific Visage does untyped damage in the MM. This seems obviously an error - it should be Psychic damage, and that correction was made in a later Essentials-era update. I don't recall for sure, but I think I made this change myself when I first used a Deathlock Wight in an encounter (which was pre-Essentials).</p><p></p><p>There is something slightly ironic about relying on the imprimatur of the rules to make house rulings to monster stat blocks!</p><p></p><p>Leaving aside puzzles about what the logic is of real-world giant acidic cubes, it seems to me that a spatula can be used to knock over a cube: particularly as, presumably, its "body" engages in some sort of contraction or deformation as it moves.</p><p></p><p>The only forced-movement effects used against gelatinous cubes that I recall in my 4e play were from a polearm-wielding fighter, so I didn't, and still don't, see any problem.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="pemerton, post: 9097151, member: 42582"] There's no [I]trip[/I] ability as such in 4e that I recall. There are various powers that knock creatures prone, but at low levels I don't think it's common to be able to knock prone at will. I just had a look at some 5e statblocks: it seems that gelatinous cubes are immune to the prone condition, but snakes are not. I don't see that someone deciding that a 4e cube is immune to prone, should that be their preference, is going to break the game in a way that the 5e rule doesn't. The Deathlock Wight's Horrific Visage does untyped damage in the MM. This seems obviously an error - it should be Psychic damage, and that correction was made in a later Essentials-era update. I don't recall for sure, but I think I made this change myself when I first used a Deathlock Wight in an encounter (which was pre-Essentials). There is something slightly ironic about relying on the imprimatur of the rules to make house rulings to monster stat blocks! Leaving aside puzzles about what the logic is of real-world giant acidic cubes, it seems to me that a spatula can be used to knock over a cube: particularly as, presumably, its "body" engages in some sort of contraction or deformation as it moves. The only forced-movement effects used against gelatinous cubes that I recall in my 4e play were from a polearm-wielding fighter, so I didn't, and still don't, see any problem. [/QUOTE]
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