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Ben Riggs' "What the Heck Happened with 4th Edition?" seminar at Gen Con 2023
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<blockquote data-quote="pemerton" data-source="post: 9098871" data-attributes="member: 42582"><p>100% to all this. The idea that issues of weight and size- eg how does a Halfling overbear a Gnoll; why in 3E can only a huge dragon perform a crush attack (because being as big as a rhino isn't big enough to squash a Halfling?); how does a thief's dagger blade actually kill a gelatinous cube? - are handwaved at every point until we get to the prone effect being applied to a gelatinous cube, and <em>now</em> we have the proverbial back-crushing straw, is hard for me to take seriously</p><p></p><p>Aren't you identifying instances of designer errors? I have some vague recollection of an ability that needed to be "no action" being a "free action" or something like that. I just fixed it.</p><p></p><p>I'm not saying that the technical work on 4e was perfect. I solved the "weapliment" weapon focus issue at my table well before an official errata was issued. As I mentioned upthread, I'm pretty sure I fixed the Deathlock Wight's fear-effect damage to psychic. And so on.</p><p></p><p>But I don't think AD&D was free from rules uncertainty just because it was structured with less technical care as a ruleset!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="pemerton, post: 9098871, member: 42582"] 100% to all this. The idea that issues of weight and size- eg how does a Halfling overbear a Gnoll; why in 3E can only a huge dragon perform a crush attack (because being as big as a rhino isn't big enough to squash a Halfling?); how does a thief's dagger blade actually kill a gelatinous cube? - are handwaved at every point until we get to the prone effect being applied to a gelatinous cube, and [I]now[/I] we have the proverbial back-crushing straw, is hard for me to take seriously Aren't you identifying instances of designer errors? I have some vague recollection of an ability that needed to be "no action" being a "free action" or something like that. I just fixed it. I'm not saying that the technical work on 4e was perfect. I solved the "weapliment" weapon focus issue at my table well before an official errata was issued. As I mentioned upthread, I'm pretty sure I fixed the Deathlock Wight's fear-effect damage to psychic. And so on. But I don't think AD&D was free from rules uncertainty just because it was structured with less technical care as a ruleset! [/QUOTE]
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