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Ben Riggs' "What the Heck Happened with 4th Edition?" seminar at Gen Con 2023
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<blockquote data-quote="AbdulAlhazred" data-source="post: 9098901" data-attributes="member: 82106"><p>He doesn't think its a non-sequitur. He thinks it is exactly how pretty much every GM in existence actually runs it, for the same reason that 4e does what it does, because it makes for a better game. 4e doesn't say that fiction has no weight. It just says "you will have a better game if you can reconcile the fiction and the game mechanics without constantly overriding the mechanics" that's all. If a 4e ancient huge dragon comes crashing down on top of the PCs its perfectly reasonable that they get crushed! I mean, they're heroes and it probably won't just wipe them out, but presence of mind, luck, and just sheer toughness will be tested! </p><p></p><p>But please, that the rules advise that maybe you find a way to work the fiction and depict 'I knocked an ooze prone' somehow such that the prone condition takes effect, is that really such a big ask? I mean, I ran 4e constantly for almost 10 years, it never became an issue. Ooze showed up now and then, and I ever remember one getting knocked prone at least one time (I think it was a black pudding). My brother made a joke about how it must have had a 'plasm spasm' and he was just happy he got an attack bonus on the thing on his turn.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="AbdulAlhazred, post: 9098901, member: 82106"] He doesn't think its a non-sequitur. He thinks it is exactly how pretty much every GM in existence actually runs it, for the same reason that 4e does what it does, because it makes for a better game. 4e doesn't say that fiction has no weight. It just says "you will have a better game if you can reconcile the fiction and the game mechanics without constantly overriding the mechanics" that's all. If a 4e ancient huge dragon comes crashing down on top of the PCs its perfectly reasonable that they get crushed! I mean, they're heroes and it probably won't just wipe them out, but presence of mind, luck, and just sheer toughness will be tested! But please, that the rules advise that maybe you find a way to work the fiction and depict 'I knocked an ooze prone' somehow such that the prone condition takes effect, is that really such a big ask? I mean, I ran 4e constantly for almost 10 years, it never became an issue. Ooze showed up now and then, and I ever remember one getting knocked prone at least one time (I think it was a black pudding). My brother made a joke about how it must have had a 'plasm spasm' and he was just happy he got an attack bonus on the thing on his turn. [/QUOTE]
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