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Message: <blockquote data-quote="darjr" data-source="post: 9098987" data-attributes="member: 52905">Here is an exchange on twitter (x?!)I think ya'll know I'm on Mike Shea's side of the skill challenge thing, at least here, I don't know if he's softened on his stance or not, I kinda have from that and am closer to Shawn.Notice even Shawn notes that SC's in 4e were flawed "implemented poorly", ill-conceived as it were, and yet he praises one out of an adventure written by Chris Tulach. It's a good adventure and the writing in the skill challenge is amazing. But yet I look at it and see the skill challenge doing the part of the players. Spoonfeeding the DM and the players how it's supposed to go. Maybe that's just me but I've heard that complaint before.Now Shawn praises it and said he had a great time running it but I bet, almost guarantee, he didn't run it as 4e raw. Not at least the form it was back then. And so I stand by my position that it was ill-concieved, even skill challenge fans of Shawn Merwins calibre, probably, very likely, didn't use it as it was published.So who runs stuff as raw you say? Yea, probably nobody. sure.<a href="https://twitter.com/AndyDempz/status/1356593610318348288?s=20" target="_blank">[ATTACH=full]292717[/ATTACH]</a></blockquote>