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<blockquote data-quote="Snarf Zagyg" data-source="post: 9099257" data-attributes="member: 7023840"><p>No, it is completely different, because you are, in effect, lecturing other people on how they are reacting, and telling them that their reactions (how they are interpreting the fiction) is wrong, because you do it differently.</p><p></p><p>I've used this example before, so I will use it again.</p><p></p><p>Everyone has a different level of suspension of disbelief when it comes to fiction. For example, I can watch a show that features legal proceedings, and the fact that they do things that are <em>wrong </em>usually doesn't bother me. Are opening statements and closing arguments three minutes long? No. But this is a fictional representation of a case- not reality. </p><p></p><p>And yet, if a show uses a legal term incorrectly, it will throw me out of the fiction completely. Right there, it's a step too far. It's gone from something I can accept in terms of a necessary suspension of disbelief, to something that is so wrong, I can no longer enjoy the fiction. Will the same thing bother you? Probably not! But it bothers ME. And for you to tell me to "feel differently" about it borders on arrogance. Different people have different preferences.</p><p></p><p>We are discussing games. People have repeatedly explained to you something that bothers them, and why. We are not demanding that you apply introspection and change what you like or manage you expectations, nor should we. It is beyond explanation why you don't extent the same courtesy to others. </p><p></p><p>People are allowed to like what they like, and to tell people that they need to feel differently misses the point. Or, more correctly, why should we feel differently, and not you? The proper answer is that, perhaps, we both can feel exactly how we want, and that's totally cool.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Snarf Zagyg, post: 9099257, member: 7023840"] No, it is completely different, because you are, in effect, lecturing other people on how they are reacting, and telling them that their reactions (how they are interpreting the fiction) is wrong, because you do it differently. I've used this example before, so I will use it again. Everyone has a different level of suspension of disbelief when it comes to fiction. For example, I can watch a show that features legal proceedings, and the fact that they do things that are [I]wrong [/I]usually doesn't bother me. Are opening statements and closing arguments three minutes long? No. But this is a fictional representation of a case- not reality. And yet, if a show uses a legal term incorrectly, it will throw me out of the fiction completely. Right there, it's a step too far. It's gone from something I can accept in terms of a necessary suspension of disbelief, to something that is so wrong, I can no longer enjoy the fiction. Will the same thing bother you? Probably not! But it bothers ME. And for you to tell me to "feel differently" about it borders on arrogance. Different people have different preferences. We are discussing games. People have repeatedly explained to you something that bothers them, and why. We are not demanding that you apply introspection and change what you like or manage you expectations, nor should we. It is beyond explanation why you don't extent the same courtesy to others. People are allowed to like what they like, and to tell people that they need to feel differently misses the point. Or, more correctly, why should we feel differently, and not you? The proper answer is that, perhaps, we both can feel exactly how we want, and that's totally cool. [/QUOTE]
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