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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Kannik" data-source="post: 9100816" data-attributes="member: 984">I think what happened (and still happens) is that often the conversations do not begin with "4e does some things that bumps against my personal playstyle," but instead begins with "4e is objectively terrible because..." or "4e breaks reality/verisimilitude because..." (sometimes written in a mocking tone) or "4e doesn't allow for fiction because..." type statements that belie the 'fact' that many people did (and still do) just fine with and had no problems with how 4e is set up and maintained a rich, vibrant, fiction-filled, game and campaign where the mechanics did not break their immersion or joy.  Plus there's that (A)D&D has always contained many elements that are verisimilitude breaking should you examine them for more than a few moments -- but as someone pointed out upthread, these are so deeply rooted in the (A)D&D history (and that many people started using/playing with when they were very young/less critical) that they've internalized them and don't notice them.  (And, as a second layer, might not know how to react when the curtain is pulled back to reveal them.)  Historically, there were also "You can't roleplay in 4e..." or "4e is not D&D" type assertions thrown around.  (Though not that I've seen in this thread.)  With the implication that those who enjoyed 4e were therefore inferior, 'stupid', and to be excluded, and that's going to hurt.  Add to it that, given that counter-examples can be readily given, these 'criticisms', mockery, and rejection can feel most unfair.  And so when an edition that has been out of print for nearly a decade and should be off everyone's radar receives new and vigorous reiterations of these old saws, with the same type of "4e IS..." type entry points rather than "I couldn't get into 4e" (or just silence, since it wasn't their thing and so they just moved on), I think it's not entirely a surprise that hackles (can) get raised.</blockquote>

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