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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Mannahnin" data-source="post: 9100859" data-attributes="member: 7026594">Great recap!The text in green and blue has two premises I do not agree with, and I don't think accurately describe this thread.  The thread has wandered all over the place, certainly.  I'm totally sympathetic to folks interested in the original premise of the thread and wanting to hear more of Riggs' data.  I'm one of them.  I'm grateful to [USER=52905]@darjr[/USER] that he's going to post a new thread when we get more info/a video.The text in red contains two premises that I don't think are necessarily contradictory.  Poor marketing, rushed release with wonky math, GSL shenanigans and alienating Paizo, and a few years of Hardcover Book Firehose Wallet Fatigue leading up to it are all things I've opined contributed to problems for 4E and its reception.  But one of them certainly has to be the sheer extent of the changes and reinventions and the abandonment of a fair number of assumptions D&D had been sticking to for 30-34 years. It's not an edition which everyone "groks" immediately.  And some of the stuff said about it, fair as your own criticisms may be, in this thread has certainly seemed like the product of incomprehension rather than personal preference.  For Gygax' sake, we had someone who didn't know that 4E healing is primarily proportional to fractions of the character's max hit points, but was still comfortable sounding off about it.  And another person who seemed to be grounding their criticisms in 1E.</blockquote>

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