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Ben Riggs' "What the Heck Happened with 4th Edition?" seminar at Gen Con 2023
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<blockquote data-quote="thenightgaunt" data-source="post: 9189431" data-attributes="member: 6673567"><p>I think a big part of the gnome hate in 4e's design there was their desire to avoid gnomish inventors. That same section you quoted is where they say the tossed that entire popular image because World of Warcraft had done it. So because WoW did it, they decided to erase a bunch of their own games' of any reference to the most popular modern interpretation of gnomes.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>It's definitely a thing that got carried into 5e IMO. </p><p></p><p>Crawford and Mearls chopped Tinker Gnomes down from their own unique race to just a flavor of Rock Gnomes. And Crawford made sure they carried that decision through to the 5e Spelljammer reboot which tried hard to pretend Tinker Gnomes did not exist (despite having Giant Space Hamsters and Autognomes) and the 5e Dragonlance reboot which had some gnomes but tried to pass them off as just regular gnomes who liked inventing which is really infuriating. </p><p></p><p>They introduce a gnome, Tatina Rookledust. But she's a ROCK GNOME not a tinker gnome. Sure she lives in a house covered in crazy contraptions, but she's a WIZARD. And yeah she has robot chickens that attack for her, but they're MAGIC. Oh...she's from Mount Nevermind...well she's not a tinker gnome, she's an artificer who manifests her spellcasting through her tools and devices...wait crap she's stated as a wizard...um...well she's sure as heck not a tinker gnome!!! Ok...sure there's a gnomeflinger in another part of the book, and it says it was invented by tinker gnomes...but...um...POCKET SAND! (runs away).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="thenightgaunt, post: 9189431, member: 6673567"] I think a big part of the gnome hate in 4e's design there was their desire to avoid gnomish inventors. That same section you quoted is where they say the tossed that entire popular image because World of Warcraft had done it. So because WoW did it, they decided to erase a bunch of their own games' of any reference to the most popular modern interpretation of gnomes. It's definitely a thing that got carried into 5e IMO. Crawford and Mearls chopped Tinker Gnomes down from their own unique race to just a flavor of Rock Gnomes. And Crawford made sure they carried that decision through to the 5e Spelljammer reboot which tried hard to pretend Tinker Gnomes did not exist (despite having Giant Space Hamsters and Autognomes) and the 5e Dragonlance reboot which had some gnomes but tried to pass them off as just regular gnomes who liked inventing which is really infuriating. They introduce a gnome, Tatina Rookledust. But she's a ROCK GNOME not a tinker gnome. Sure she lives in a house covered in crazy contraptions, but she's a WIZARD. And yeah she has robot chickens that attack for her, but they're MAGIC. Oh...she's from Mount Nevermind...well she's not a tinker gnome, she's an artificer who manifests her spellcasting through her tools and devices...wait crap she's stated as a wizard...um...well she's sure as heck not a tinker gnome!!! Ok...sure there's a gnomeflinger in another part of the book, and it says it was invented by tinker gnomes...but...um...POCKET SAND! (runs away). [/QUOTE]
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