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Ben Riggs' "What the Heck Happened with 4th Edition?" seminar at Gen Con 2023
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<blockquote data-quote="Red Castle" data-source="post: 9202546" data-attributes="member: 7040765"><p>Remember back when 4e got released that some people felt like Cash Cow and was turned off by that.</p><p></p><p>The quick release after 3e (2000) and 3.5 (2003) combined with the feeling by a lot that 3.5 was just fine, there was no need for a new edition made it look like 4e was just a cash grab, Hasbro being greedy. And they were not entirely wrong, but hey, welcome to capitalism. </p><p></p><p>What reinforced this feeling was the aggressive release schedule of books. If I remember correctly, they were releasing 1 book per month, always with new shiny options… that’s a lot! Not everyone has this gaming budget.</p><p></p><p>But, they also made all this content available online to subscribers of DnDInsider, so in the end, if you were a subscriber and was only interested in player options or new monsters, there was little point to buy the books, since everything was accessible (and actually easier to navigate than having 4-5 books on the table while searching for a new feat). </p><p></p><p>But to come back to the quick release of a new edition, seeing the aggressivity of book release of 4e, if I had already a big collection of 3.5 books and still had fun with this edition, I would have seen no point in buying into 4e. It might even turn me off, no way that I’m buying a new book collection only to need to buy it again in 3-5 years!</p><p></p><p>Now, I don’t think that it was the main reason of the « lower » sales, but I do believe it played a part. One of the many reason of DnD 4e backlash.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Red Castle, post: 9202546, member: 7040765"] Remember back when 4e got released that some people felt like Cash Cow and was turned off by that. The quick release after 3e (2000) and 3.5 (2003) combined with the feeling by a lot that 3.5 was just fine, there was no need for a new edition made it look like 4e was just a cash grab, Hasbro being greedy. And they were not entirely wrong, but hey, welcome to capitalism. What reinforced this feeling was the aggressive release schedule of books. If I remember correctly, they were releasing 1 book per month, always with new shiny options… that’s a lot! Not everyone has this gaming budget. But, they also made all this content available online to subscribers of DnDInsider, so in the end, if you were a subscriber and was only interested in player options or new monsters, there was little point to buy the books, since everything was accessible (and actually easier to navigate than having 4-5 books on the table while searching for a new feat). But to come back to the quick release of a new edition, seeing the aggressivity of book release of 4e, if I had already a big collection of 3.5 books and still had fun with this edition, I would have seen no point in buying into 4e. It might even turn me off, no way that I’m buying a new book collection only to need to buy it again in 3-5 years! Now, I don’t think that it was the main reason of the « lower » sales, but I do believe it played a part. One of the many reason of DnD 4e backlash. [/QUOTE]
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