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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Voadam" data-source="post: 9202740" data-attributes="member: 2209">For me it was the OGL and no SRD that blocked me from trying 4e for a long while.In 3.5 I had the online srd and could learn the rules starting day 1 without buying a core set and use almost all of my big array of 3.0 stuff with about as much conversion as I had done using BECMI basic stuff in my AD&D games and spend my RPG budget on supplements and settings and adventures. This was fantastic.I was happy with 3.5 (and later Pathfinder 1e). When 4e came out there was no OGL SRD release for it. You had to either get KotS or go straight into the PH, DMG, MM core book set to learn the whole new edition. They did not even provide an online version of the quickstart rules from KotS until much later so there was a pay barrier to learning 4e to play as a player in somebody else's game.I was fine as is, running games, had tons of material to go on for life, and pretty happy with a lot of d20 3e. 4e sounded like it had some good points, but not enough to really hook me in to buy and learn and invest in a new system that would be fairly game system incompatible with my big d20 library just because.The restrictive 4e GSL, particularly its original poison pill provision to attempt to kill off support for 3e OGL stuff, was obnoxious. WotC went from a company enabling my game stuff to a company trying to obstruct it in an attempt to drive me to buy their new game and from them only. This was compounded later with the PDF pulling of access for old edition stuff.I took the concept of minions and elite monsters and solo monsters that was being discussed here and applied them to 3e stuff and it made my d20 games better for me.When Pathfinder came out I checked out their srds and adopted it right away the way I had 3.5 earlier and used my 3e/3.5/d20 modern/other d20 stuff using the system and started buying and using pathfinder things. It wasn't until years after 4e started that I joined a group playing 4e and I bought my first 4e books, the PH I&II Christmas bundle sale. I then read the PH cover to cover and made a character for the game. I really like a lot of 4e, but WotC worked pretty hard to have me not get into it for a while.</blockquote>

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