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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Kannik" data-source="post: 9209974" data-attributes="member: 984">Not in the 1e PHB it didn't.  And as Voadam noted, the 1e DMG was loosy-goosy and an optional rule.  You had to wait until the Wilderness & Dungeoneer's Survival Guides to get NWPs.  So 4e at its release was really returning to the classic 1e foundation that so many laud. Also, I <a href="https://preview.drivethrurpg.com/en/product/65764/Adventurers-Option--Trades-and-Professions" target="_blank">wrote a supplement for Trades & Professions</a> as I preferred having a bit more detail in that arena as well.  But I recognized the role of such skills and activities in previous editions and it didn't strike me as a torch waving offence or omission.I'm not sure I get what you're driving at here.  Skills and their uses are included and detailed in 4e's PHB1, and the game very much centers around making skill (ability) checks in all sorts of situations, the same as any edition (and further expanded with skill challenges).  There's no removal or obfuscation of ability checks that I saw.</blockquote>