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<blockquote data-quote="Kannik" data-source="post: 9213383" data-attributes="member: 984"><p>I don't find 4e was all that 'niche' in its expected playstyle, and could support more game styles than it is often given credit for. Similar to, no matter how vehemently some 'old school' players will tell you exactly how 1e is meant to be played back in the day, and despite how much the 1e rules pushed for a particular style of play, 1e and then 2e games were quite broad and vibrant across their play styles.</p><p></p><p>At the same time, 4e feels like it was given the dictum by Hasbro to follow what they felt were the trends (both within the D&D fanbase as well as wider trends) and lean hard into them and emphasize them, probably with a requirement or three as well for what they perceived might be monetizable. Again, this is where a nice meaty section in the DMG would've been great to talk about and provide the options to support those playstyles. (Given how 4e combat is structured, though, Theatre of the Mind would likely have to be off the table. (And I swear that pun is only semi-intended.)) But even without such a section, or even the options that came out in the later stages of 4e, there's a good gaggle of campaign styles and tones that work in 4e as well as they do in other editions (even if, like other editions, they took a handful of house rules). The main types I think that would not work well are those where the characters are not expected to be competent or capable.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Kannik, post: 9213383, member: 984"] I don't find 4e was all that 'niche' in its expected playstyle, and could support more game styles than it is often given credit for. Similar to, no matter how vehemently some 'old school' players will tell you exactly how 1e is meant to be played back in the day, and despite how much the 1e rules pushed for a particular style of play, 1e and then 2e games were quite broad and vibrant across their play styles. At the same time, 4e feels like it was given the dictum by Hasbro to follow what they felt were the trends (both within the D&D fanbase as well as wider trends) and lean hard into them and emphasize them, probably with a requirement or three as well for what they perceived might be monetizable. Again, this is where a nice meaty section in the DMG would've been great to talk about and provide the options to support those playstyles. (Given how 4e combat is structured, though, Theatre of the Mind would likely have to be off the table. (And I swear that pun is only semi-intended.)) But even without such a section, or even the options that came out in the later stages of 4e, there's a good gaggle of campaign styles and tones that work in 4e as well as they do in other editions (even if, like other editions, they took a handful of house rules). The main types I think that would not work well are those where the characters are not expected to be competent or capable. [/QUOTE]
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