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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 9213795" data-attributes="member: 22779">One of the most surprising, to me anyway things that came out of the whole 4e thing was this notion that D&D in any edition has ever supported simulationist play.  Before 4e was announced, you never heard anyone talking about how they play D&D because it's a good simulationist game.  And, frankly, people who DO play sim games would giggle at the suggestion.  The whole point of sim games, very often, is a reaction to the almost complete lack of anything remotely resembling simulation in D&D (any edition).  Yet, it became this huge rallying cry.  And, bizarrely, it still is.  I mean, if you don't like Full to Zero HP mechanics, why on earth would you play any edition of D&D?  D&D has never had anything remotely resembling a sim based combat system.  It's entirely abstract and it's effectively old Final Fantasy 1 combat.  One side wiggles slightly and a negative number appears over the sprite on the other side.  Repeat until one side or the other falls down.It constantly baffles me that anyone would seriously think that D&D is a sim game.  <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/erm.png"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":erm:" title="Erm    :erm:" data-shortname=":erm:" /></blockquote>