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<blockquote data-quote="Aldarc" data-source="post: 9216608" data-attributes="member: 5142"><p>Your "argument" for why you weren't engaging in special pleading was to link me to a Wikipedia page about special pleading. Please tell me how your "argument" deserved a substantial rebuttal again?</p><p></p><p></p><p>I don't think that Hitchen's Razor applies. That said, the evidence for your special pleading seemed pretty apparent with your prior posts and others have brought up reasons why that is the case. The reasons why I believe that you are engaging in special pleading has been the double-standard that you apply with regards damage saves and damage-on-a-miss. You also seem to apply a willingness to read the mechanics in a way that flows from the fiction for one while refusing to do so with the other. And when others say that it is a consistent understanding of HP between both mechanics, you insist that it isn't for some reason. So yes, your argument regarding saves for half damage being different from damage-on-a-miss does ring a lot like special pleading. It's fine if you don't like damage-on-a-miss, but it's not alien to D&D outside of 4e, including partial damage on saves. </p><p></p><p></p><p>Which is equally as true for damage-on-a-miss and saves for half-damage. This is choosing to read the mechanics in a manner that is entirely consistent with the game fiction.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Aldarc, post: 9216608, member: 5142"] Your "argument" for why you weren't engaging in special pleading was to link me to a Wikipedia page about special pleading. Please tell me how your "argument" deserved a substantial rebuttal again? I don't think that Hitchen's Razor applies. That said, the evidence for your special pleading seemed pretty apparent with your prior posts and others have brought up reasons why that is the case. The reasons why I believe that you are engaging in special pleading has been the double-standard that you apply with regards damage saves and damage-on-a-miss. You also seem to apply a willingness to read the mechanics in a way that flows from the fiction for one while refusing to do so with the other. And when others say that it is a consistent understanding of HP between both mechanics, you insist that it isn't for some reason. So yes, your argument regarding saves for half damage being different from damage-on-a-miss does ring a lot like special pleading. It's fine if you don't like damage-on-a-miss, but it's not alien to D&D outside of 4e, including partial damage on saves. Which is equally as true for damage-on-a-miss and saves for half-damage. This is choosing to read the mechanics in a manner that is entirely consistent with the game fiction. [/QUOTE]
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