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Ben Riggs' "What the Heck Happened with 4th Edition?" seminar at Gen Con 2023
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<blockquote data-quote="Mannahnin" data-source="post: 9217383" data-attributes="member: 7026594"><p>I think Hussar had a solid point that there's a language/worldview issue here interfering with mutual comprehension.</p><p></p><p></p><p>It's not an essay, though I suppose this is a fairly trivial point. It's several paragraphs in each book explaining what hit points are to players and DMs. </p><p></p><p>The entire damage system bears out Gary's explanation. There being no wound penalties. No hit locations (he talks about that in the DMG too). The massive multiplication of ability to take hits with increasing level. Hit points are and always have been an abstraction of the character's ability to avoid defeat. To minimize or avoid harm and to be worn down gradually over time until they are actually at risk of an injurious blow laying them low.</p><p></p><p>It is completely fair and reasonable for you to point at the rules for hit point recovery and say "this looks like physical recovery from injury over time", but that's not all it is. As Gary explains, it's also rest permitting the recovery of "metaphysical" factors, along with physical ones, like exhaustion and any minor wounds.</p><p></p><p>And examples exist across editions of recovery being not purely physical. Song of Rest, Second Wind, and the use of Hit Dice during a 1 hour rest and bringing yourself to full HP are all common and core examples in 5E. The nature of any injuries which are a component of HP loss is necessarily minor and ignorable. And HP restoration is in practice often some factor, magical OR non, allowing the character to ignore scratches, burns, bruises, fatigue, psychic strain, or whatever for mechanical purposes. We can envision them recovering from and healing any (minor) actual physical harm gradually over downtime at whatever pace best suits our suspension of disbelief and our vision of the world.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Mannahnin, post: 9217383, member: 7026594"] I think Hussar had a solid point that there's a language/worldview issue here interfering with mutual comprehension. It's not an essay, though I suppose this is a fairly trivial point. It's several paragraphs in each book explaining what hit points are to players and DMs. The entire damage system bears out Gary's explanation. There being no wound penalties. No hit locations (he talks about that in the DMG too). The massive multiplication of ability to take hits with increasing level. Hit points are and always have been an abstraction of the character's ability to avoid defeat. To minimize or avoid harm and to be worn down gradually over time until they are actually at risk of an injurious blow laying them low. It is completely fair and reasonable for you to point at the rules for hit point recovery and say "this looks like physical recovery from injury over time", but that's not all it is. As Gary explains, it's also rest permitting the recovery of "metaphysical" factors, along with physical ones, like exhaustion and any minor wounds. And examples exist across editions of recovery being not purely physical. Song of Rest, Second Wind, and the use of Hit Dice during a 1 hour rest and bringing yourself to full HP are all common and core examples in 5E. The nature of any injuries which are a component of HP loss is necessarily minor and ignorable. And HP restoration is in practice often some factor, magical OR non, allowing the character to ignore scratches, burns, bruises, fatigue, psychic strain, or whatever for mechanical purposes. We can envision them recovering from and healing any (minor) actual physical harm gradually over downtime at whatever pace best suits our suspension of disbelief and our vision of the world. [/QUOTE]
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