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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Voadam" data-source="post: 9218718" data-attributes="member: 2209">Can someone point me to the 1e reference on poison indicating hp are necessarily injuries that are being made?In the 1e DMG page 81 I found this reference which seems the other way if there is a hit with hp damage and a save or die poison (like a viper's strike, a scorpion sting, a spider bite etc.) where an envenomed scratch would be death. Poison Saving Throws For Characters:For those who wonder why poison does either killing damage (usually) or no harm whatsoever, recall the justification for character hit points. That is, damage is not actually sustained — at least in proportion to the number of hit points marked off in most cases. The so called damage is the expenditure of favor from deities, luck, skill, and perhaps a scratch, and thus the saving throw. If that mere scratch managed to be venomous, then DEATH. If no such wound was delivered, then NO DAMAGE FROM THE POISON. In cases where some partial damage is indicated, this reflects poisons either placed so that they are ingested or used so as to ensure that some small portion does get in the wound or skin of the opponent.This seems to be saying that the damage is a poisoned scratch if the save is failed, but no wound or scratch at all if the save is made, just some hp are marked off.</blockquote>