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<blockquote data-quote="James Gasik" data-source="post: 9220397" data-attributes="member: 6877472">Exactly.&nbsp; The &quot;how&quot; you avoided the damage isn't important, just that you did.&nbsp; AC is basically a reverse saving throw.&nbsp; The opponent rolls the die to hit the DC instead of you, but it's the same thing.&nbsp; And it's a combination of factors that can let you avoid damage.Further, that there are some effects that can partially bypass AC (damage on a miss) is perfectly understandable, and in fact, such &quot;armor piercing&quot; should be more prevalent in the game.&nbsp; Maybe you could add it to crossbows (or firearms, if those are used in your game).&nbsp; It's no different than effects that still damage you when you make a saving throw, regardless of all the text written to the contrary, other than the method to arrive at the result is different.When 4e introduced the Fortitude, Reflex, and Will defenses instead of saving throws, the only thing that changed was &quot;who rolls the die&quot;.&nbsp; The results are exactly the same.&nbsp; I hit your Will defense, you fail your Wisdom save- narratively, the same thing happens.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="James Gasik, post: 9220397, member: 6877472"] Exactly. The "how" you avoided the damage isn't important, just that you [B]did[/B]. AC is basically a reverse saving throw. The opponent rolls the die to hit the DC instead of you, but it's the same thing. And it's a combination of factors that can let you avoid damage. Further, that there are some effects that can partially bypass AC (damage on a miss) is perfectly understandable, and in fact, such "armor piercing" should be more prevalent in the game. Maybe you could add it to crossbows (or firearms, if those are used in your game). It's no different than effects that still damage you when you make a saving throw, regardless of all the text written to the contrary, other than the method to arrive at the result is different. When 4e introduced the Fortitude, Reflex, and Will defenses instead of saving throws, the only thing that changed was "who rolls the die". The results are exactly the same. I hit your Will defense, you fail your Wisdom save- narratively, the same thing happens. [/QUOTE]

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